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Offline Michiel

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weight is 0.61 gram
size is 19,17 at the larges point

its a silver coin, 2 headed eagle with a cross as mintmark above. I can read  at 3 o clock: K:IIDG.K   and at 9 o clock: EM.A
other side: shield square and round at bottom. above an flower with the letters MON.
In the shield is an diamond (the one from the play cards) countermark that is stamped hard enough that the other side has a little dent of it.

checked the german states and the dutch provs.


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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 05:03:44 PM »
Have not found this type and have to leave now. Some indications:

Obv: rose mintmark might be Dordrecht. Legend starts with MO, (moneta), possibly MO.NO (moneta nova). Uncrowned arms point to Groningen, possibly Friesland
Rev: German imperial eagle. Legend starts with KAR(olvs).II DG.R(ex?), ends with EMAR+.

Peter
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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2016, 03:24:49 PM »
hi peter, I looked through the whole CNM, but no luck. also the german states i could think off with the eagle I checked. but dordrecht is not listed in CNM, so i will take a look at that under holland.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2016, 03:39:25 PM by Michiel »

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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2016, 07:12:42 PM »
Already done that. Nothing, which makes sense because the only Charles II Dordrecht could conceivably have minted for was archduke of Austria. Sounds far-fetched to me.

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« Last Edit: March 07, 2016, 07:29:05 PM by Figleaf »
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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 07:20:14 PM »
as usual, i only post the difficult coins ;)

i see dick purmer next week, will show him the coin, maybe he will have a clue (or not). closer to the source is not possible.

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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 09:06:34 AM »
still working on the determination.
As we all know know, Dick has pasted  :'(. so i couldn't ask him anymore.

If someone has an new idea...... ;D

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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 02:11:58 PM »
more than 2 years later, i still have this coin lying here and still no clue. some fresh blood many an idea?

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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2019, 07:24:15 PM »
Congratulations ! I think a lot of uss have "sleeper coins" that lie around until finally attributed.
I do see some slight legend differences, but that may be normal for these issues ?

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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2019, 08:06:35 PM »
I have seen other pictures that are also a little dif. The stamp makers are often unlettered in those times. Donít know how much stamps are used. But also the feet out of the circle is not on the others.


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Re: silver coin with diamond countermark and a double headed eagle
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 10:56:32 PM »
KAR, rather than CAR is unusual, so I may have read the name wrong. If you can find a better alternative, check it out here. FWIW, the MAR at the end may be the title MARgrave (Markgraf).

Peter
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