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Offline aquila

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Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« on: March 21, 2016, 07:39:36 PM »
Hello everyone,

This is my newest addition to my collection, and so far I know it's most probably a "mordovka" coin, imitation of Russian coinage minted by peoples conquered by Moscow. They adopted Russian style and alphabet, but legend is apparently in their own language, not Russian. I've noticed there are few coin specialists from Russia here, can you help me find more info on this particular coin? I also know that such things but with holes were used as decoration while specimens like this one were probably used as money where there was still a shortage of Russan coins minted in Moscow.





Silver, size - 11,5 x 9 mm. I don't have proper scales so I don't know its weight.
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 10:14:27 PM »
I would suggest a PM to our member Gagarin_Andrey.

A catalogue of wire kopecks is here.

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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 11:02:08 PM »
Thanks for the suggestion, I sent him a PM shortly after I created this thread (actually he was the reason I registered here ;) ).

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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 08:22:03 PM »
Hello, dear Friends))

Thank's for the invention.

This is a kopeck of the tsar Peter the Great, no dated variant, Moskow mint
very simple coin, but my congratulations any way, it is interesting by the technology of mint - wire blanks in XVIII century!!!


I have an published article about the pruvate forgeries of these types of the coins, have a look and a good reading ))
https://www.academia.edu/6262714/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BE_%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0_I_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B0_1696_1725_The_new_data_about_the_forgeries_of_the_wire_kopecks_of_Peter_I_Alekseevich_1696-1725_
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 08:23:13 PM »
Oh, sorry, the date is present on the coin - letters CH on the second photo mean 1699 year, my congratulations )))
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 09:00:30 PM »
Pretty brilliant, Gagarin_Andrey. Thanks!

Peter
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 09:31:12 PM »
Allways glad to take a part in a forum life ))
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2016, 09:39:36 PM »
More - this is not a ''mordovka'', but a state official coin - kopeck denomination.
term mordovka is being used to the examples of the imitations commonly used also like a decorations for the woman clothes in Ural and Volga regions, Kazan' khanate. The letters on the mordovkas are non readable or with a great mistakes, and with non used for the moskovian wire coins decorations and elements
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Re: Russian "Mordovka" wire coin
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2016, 10:09:24 PM »
Well, when I presented this coin on our forum no one was able to read the legends and they assumed it's a mordovka. And they usually read the legends quite well, so that's why I'm quite surprised right now. Can you show me photo of a coin with the same legend?