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Offline Pabitra

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ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« on: March 24, 2015, 02:13:52 PM »

Give me an example of a country or countries, recognised or unrecognised, with someone actually illegally in control?


There are umpteen sets of ISIS, Andamans, British Virgin Island, Russian Territory of Arctic etc.
where who is in charge and who lives there and who mints coins, is all mixed up.

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 02:45:59 PM »
ISIS is illegally occupying the area of Syria and Lebanon ( as they say, haven't gone and seen).
Here is the set issued by them.
No one can refuse it as it is "legal" ( or is it "illegal") tender :-)


Does it serve as an example of "illegally" in control OR should I give an example of Russian coin of Crimea?

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 02:58:33 PM »
As for the ISIS abominations: ISIS is a death cult, not a state. It has no international recognition of any state in the world. Therefore, these pieces (IF they exist in 3-dimensions) are privately issued tokens at best, quite possibly fantasies without any redeeming value.

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2016, 10:05:30 AM »
Hereafter, a recent information from MEE Agency ("Middle East Eyes"):

"Officials say Turkish police have arrested six foreign nationals and seized material allegedly used by Islamic State (IS) militants to produce coins for the group.
 A statement from a local governor's office said police had seized the coin-making equipment inside a building in Gaziantep city, near the border with Syria, as well as in the suspects' vehicles.
 It said the coins produced are used as currency in IS-controlled areas. The statement, posted on the website of the Gaziantep governor's office, did not provide information on the suspects or say when they were arrested
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 12:38:43 PM »
There are some official photos of the Turkish police:

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 12:54:47 PM »
All information about the 'coins' by ISIS available in a dark corner of World of Coins (the fantasies section) here

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2016, 03:18:53 PM »
13 ISIS COINS DATED AH 1436 ARE LISTED HERE :

https://www.geocities.ws/mercuguinness/mercuguinness.html#IS

IN DETAILS , AND ARE SHOWN IN THE LITTLE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE 13 COINS
6 NEWER ISIS COINS DATED AH 1437 WITH NEW DESIGNS ARE SHOWN IN THE LARGE PHOTO ,
INCLUDING 2 DENOMINATIONS THAT WHERE NOT PRESENT IN 1436 SERIES : 2 DIRHAMS , 2
DINARS , THE SOURCE IS A FACEBOOK USER AND A COIN COLLECTOR.
ALL 13 COINS OF 1436 ARE COATED : DECLARED "COPPER" COINS ARE COPPER PLATED STEEL COINS , DECLARED "GOLD" COINS ARE GOLD PLATED BRASS COINS , DECLARED "SILVER" COINS ARE SILVER PLATED COINS , SOME ARE MAGNETIC , SOME ARE NOT MAGNETIC. ALL 13 COINS BARE WEIGHTS IN GRAMS ON THEM , BUT ALL WERE TESTED AS INACURATE. ISIS CAN NOT AFFORD LETTING IT'S SUBJECTS USE A FULL SILVER AND GOLD COINS , SO ISIS CHEATS THEM ALL AFTER IT ROBBED BANKS IN WHAT WAS SYRIA AND IRAQ.

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2016, 04:34:41 PM »
This set doesn't match with previous ones said to be struck by ISIS ?
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2016, 04:37:18 PM »
These issues are quite controversial and some may be fantasy. I very much prefer the careful approach of eurocoin.

Peter
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2016, 05:21:18 PM »
Yes, but we can think that the dies seized by the turkish police shows the real designs of these coins, which are not of those of the last set  ??? (please, refer to pictures posted by Afrasi in this thread)
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2016, 07:39:49 PM »
Yes, but we can think that the dies seized by the turkish police shows the real designs of these coins, which are not of those of the last set  ??? (please, refer to pictures posted by Afrasi in this thread)

Have a look at this topic then you will understand ;)

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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2016, 08:34:11 PM »
Thank you very much for the link, things are clear for me now  :)
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2018, 11:35:43 AM »
More information on the different series and to what extent they circulated or did not circulate here. See also eurocoin's fine analysis here.

Peter
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Re: ISIS/ISIL: coins, tokens, or fantasies?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2018, 02:08:28 PM »
It certainly offers several interesting new insights. It is not complete and some parts are slightly sloppy though. Furthermore some parts appear to be deliberately vague. His paper could have been even better if he had come across this forum during his researches.