West African States KM# 13,14 and 15

Started by Bimat, May 14, 2009, 03:37:11 PM

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Bimat

This is West African States 200 Francs,2005.Catalog doesn't list this date.
Where is the privy mark for this coin?
Catalog also mentions that the same coin dated 2003 doesn't have any privy mark.So,where are these coins (dated 2003)struck? (I've posted a 500 Francs dated 2003 in next post)

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

Bimat

This is West African States 250 Francs,1993.(KM# 13)
I have posted another photo,which I feel,is the privy mark for this particular coin.I'm not very sure,though.

Aditya

P.S. Thanks to asm (Amit) who helped me to get this coin :)
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

Bimat

And this is 500 Francs,2003. (KM# 15).(No privy mark,according to catalog)
I particularly like the native mask which appears on these coins.

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

chrisild

#3
Quote from: numismatica on May 14, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
I particularly like the native mask which appears on these coins.

That is an Ashanti gold weight, according to the Schön, which has the shape of a sawfish. (In your first and last post, that side is depicted upside down.) It appears on many west African (BCEAO) coins, see http://www.bceao.int/fr/muse/musepc.htm

The 2003 coins were apparently minted by the Royal Mint (UK); the later issues were made the Monnaie de Paris (FR). The Schön lists 2004 for the 200 F coin, and 2004 and 2005 for the 500 F coin. Not sure where those marks could be though ...

(Edit) Here is an image that I think shows the MdP marks, left and right of the year: http://worldcoingallery.com/countries/img14/192-15.jpg Small picture though, so I am not quite certain.

Christian

africancoins

#4
My 2003 pair of 200 and 500 Franc-CFA and my details on the 2004 pair can be seen at...

http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-was2.htm

Since last changing that page I have got hold of a a 2005 dated pair and in these respects they are like the 2003 dated pieces.

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

Harald

Quote from: chrisild on May 14, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
That is an Ashanti gold weight, according to the Schön, which has the shape of a sawfish. (In your first and last post, that side is depicted upside down.) It appears on many west African (BCEAO) coins, see http://www.bceao.int/fr/muse/musepc.htm
(snip)

Christian
The sawfish is actually the bank logo.
I have got one of those nice Akan gold weights at home. I'll upload a picture as soon as I get to it.

cheers
--
Harald


http://www.liganda.ch (monetary history & numismatic linguistics)

Figleaf

The middle coin has the marks of the Paris Mint and its director divided by "250". The coin shown in Christian's link has the same marks on both sides of the date. Aditya's other two coins don't have anything I recognize as a mint mark.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Bimat

Thanks for the help :)
Catalog says that 500 Francs dated 2005 also has privy mark.But I don't find any..

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

Harald

cute little fish, isn't it.

--
Harald
http://www.liganda.ch (monetary history & numismatic linguistics)

chrisild

Interesting - thanks for taking and posting the photo! How big (from top to bottom, approximately) is that fish or weight?

Christian

Bimat

#10
That's a very cute fish ;D What is its weight?
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

Harald

It's fairly big: weight 59.8g, height (nosetip to the bend in the tail) 8cm.

Note that all the figurative Akan weights were not used for the measuring gold dust but for decoration. most of them even are rather modern productions, from times when the gold dust currency was gone long since. the original gold weights were mostly of square shape with simple ornamental decorations.

cheers
--
Harald
http://www.liganda.ch (monetary history & numismatic linguistics)

Bimat

Quote from: Harald on May 21, 2009, 09:05:54 PM
It's fairly big: weight 59.8g, height (nosetip to the bend in the tail) 8cm.

59.8 Grams 8) That is quite heavy.Weight doesn't seem to be in proportion with its size ;D Thanks for posting those photos!

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

Bimat

I have another doubt: My 250 Francs coin is in medal rotation.Does it exist in coin rotation variety too?
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

BC Numismatics

Aditya,
  Most coins of the West African States exist in coinage alignment,as they were struck at the Monnaie de Paris.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the Monnaie de Paris have switche to using medallic alignment,just like on the French Euro coins.

Aidan.