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Started by Figleaf, February 09, 2011, 11:46:51 AM

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Figleaf

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This looks like a musical instrument to me. So cheap it's hard to find.

The Tonga thingy you want has never been in circulation in Tonga. It's just a metallic picture, issued by a "collectables" (negative vibes) dealer. You will find it in the fixed price lists of dealers who carry such coins. Posh dealers would want an eleven foot pole to touch it.

Coin hunting is often a question of patience, not money. Every time you find a dealer who has offered it in the past or carries similar coins, you bookmark it and check it regularly. If you have/make a Google account, you can make an "agent" advising you of new occurrences. Try "Tonga Richard Wagner". You'll get automatic daily reports.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

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The question "what would be the oldest music-related coin" came up in the tired brain. Well, there are ancient Jewish coins with a four-stringed lyra and there must be others. Can't think of anything in the middle ages. The renaissance saw the emergence of disciplined armies and to convey commands on a battlefield, you need trumpets and drums. No trumpets yet, but here's a drum on a coin from Prussia. It comes with the barrel of a cannon, flags and assorted war instruments to form war loot, taken by a victorious king Fred.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Alan Glasser

Now THAT is cool. Wonder if I can scrounge one up on e-Bay, The history would be fun to read about on THAT piece. Thanks!!

Alan

Figleaf

An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Alan Glasser

Thanks for the link, Peter. Guess I had better hit the casino and hope for a good night (I never gamble) before I will be able to add one of those to the music collection. I don't make as much on the street corner as I did in my youth!

Alan :'(

andyg

Quote from: Figleaf on February 20, 2011, 11:22:29 PM
The question "what would be the oldest music-related coin" came up in the tired brain. Well, there are ancient Jewish coins with a four-stringed lyra and there must be others. Can't think of anything in the middle ages. The renaissance saw the emergence of disciplined armies and to covey commands on a battlefield, you need trumpets and drums. No trumpets yet, but here's a drum on a coin from Prussia. It comes with the barrel of a cannon, flags and assorted war instruments to form war loot, taken by a victorious king Fred.

Peter

reminds me of this one,


A russian 4 Kopeks 1762 (not my coin sadly), but a very similar drum in the middle.
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

Alan Glasser

Andyg.

Neat coin. Looks like I may have to stick to the 19th 20th 21st centuries for the music coins. Stuff from the 1700's is a bit pricy!.

Alan :P

Figleaf

You're right, Andy. Weird! Gotta find out what the story is. The Aurich type was struck until 1763, so dates are overlapping. One guess is that the dies somehow changed hands during the third Silesian war, though I am at a loss to explain what they were doing at the front. Another possibility is that they were in the luggage of a Prussian ambassador to the court of Catharine the Great or Peter III, both admirers of Prussia. It would help to know if the Aurich mint closed in the 1760s or so, so that the die became obsolete.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

Older coins are not necessarily more expensive. The problem is that the drum occurs only on the coins struck at Aurich, capital of Ost Friesland, which had just recently been annexed. On the coins of other mints, there is a cavalry helmet, rather than a drum.

Meanwhile, I found a trumpet on an old coin, but no picture of the coin: a double groschen 1717 of Kempten Abbey, sporting a tooting angel.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

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How about a musical instrument used as money? On the Indonesian island of Alor, the mokko, a kettle drum, is a sign of wealth and a means of payment. The drums are made of brass and consist of three parts. The original mokkos are very old. Once merchants realized how high the mokko was valued on Alor, they imported modern mokkos by the thousands. Mokkos are still used as dowry on Alor.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Alan Glasser

Hey, Peter...if you find a mokko that will fit in a 2x2...give me a hollar, OK? VERY interesting stuff you find!!

Alan

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Ukraine 5 hryven 2007 - Bugay
Ivan
Moscow, Russia

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Burundi, 50 francs, 2011.  Drummer.
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Ghana, 1 pesewa, 1967.  Bush drums.
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Ghana, 500 cedis, 1998.  Bush drums.
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