From my old cousin - Can you identify?

[Pellinore]

Probably many of you know how it works. You are known as the collector of coins in your family, and some cousin gives you a few worn old coins that probably were found somewhere together, a long time ago. Your generous cousin doesn't know how he came across them.

It's not my cup of tea (I'm collecting old Romans, Greeks and Asians) but I'm intrigued. I think they are early 16th century Dutch coins. I see 'CAR REX', so I think of the emperor Charles V, and I see CAMP and think of Kampen. One is damaged and looks a bit older, more Gothic in appearance.

They are silver, but a mediocre alloy, and very thin. There are separate threads opened for them. This thread is about the CAMP coin.

Can you tell me what they are?
-- Paul

[Pellinore]

I can read CAMP on this coin, so maybe the Hanze city of Kampen in the Netherlands? Something like MON ARG CIVI CAMP, silver coin from the city of Kampen?
25 mm, 1,37 gr.

[Pellinore]

Please open separate threads for these coins. Thank you.

Peter

Sorry! So I did, they are here, the Archduke's coin, and here, the Rex Carolus coin.

I should add, when they have been identified, they will go into the swap tray, so if you should be interested, let me know.
-- Paul

[Figleaf]

Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, Kampen mint, stuiver n.d. (c. 1660). Verkade 166.5

Obv: crowned simplified Spanish arms between 1 and S (denomination). Legend: DOMIN   VS.NOS   TER.AD   IVTOR - our god help us.
Rev: decorated cross with open centre (arms of Kampen - city gate - in centre) in four-lobe, breaking through pearl circle. Legend: MOneta.NOva.ARGentea.IMPerii.CIVItatis.CAMPENsis - new silver coin of the imperial city of Kampen.

The word IMP in the legend refers to the right of mint Kampen had obtained from the German emperor before the war of independence. As the rebellious provinces claimed that the Habsburgs had abridged old city rights, they could hardly refuse Kampen the right to coin, but its coins were considered bad. The federation repeatedly bought the minting rights of Kampen, only to see it re-start coinage later. Note that obverse and reverse legends have been switched. This is the typical sort of sloppiness you can expect from small, semi-authorised mints of this period.

Peter

[Pellinore]

Thanks, Figleaf, I hadn't expected it to be from the 17th century, it's got an old-fashioned look, I think. Is there a year on the coin, anywhere? I could try and pore over it again.
-- Paul

[Figleaf]

This coin doesn't want to impress, it wants to deceive. It wants you (and 17th century merchants receiving it) to think it is a Habsburg coin, struck decades before. It doesn't want you to think: Kampen, reject this one.

There is no date on the coin.

Peter

[Pellinore]

Thanks for that clarifying note!