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Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« on: June 18, 2015, 01:59:01 AM »
Well, hereís a coin that dumbfounded me. The seller said it was from Central Asia, about 500-800 AD.

It looks made of lead. I donít recognize the script. It's thickish; in reality the color is less red.
Diameter 23,5 mm, weight 8,68 gr.

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Re: Central Asia, 500-800??
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 08:09:34 AM »
because of the material and the horse, and also the symbol visible above its back end, my first guess would be India, Hiranyaka dynasty.

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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 09:15:07 AM »
Thank you! I googled the name of the dynasty, and found Andhra Pradesh, about 200-300 AD. The examples I saw were anepigraphic, but there's a lot of similarity. (Maybe the name of this thread should change into 'Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?')
Using an oblique ray of sunlight, I made another picture of the coin. Now the color is more like the real one.
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 08:31:36 PM »
Less convinced this is a Andhra Pradesh Lead horse coin with this better photo. Most importantly the obverse does not match with the reverse.
Alternative might be a Kushan derivative, Like here (at the bottom of the page)

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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 10:36:42 PM »
But aren' the inscriptions making any sense?
What I find strange, is that a large animal ( a goat?) has been combined with another, possibly a horse. What's the meaning of THAT?
-- Paul
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 12:21:51 AM »
'Hiran' yaka means deer in India, so the obverse could possibly be a deer

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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 12:46:32 PM »
If the script is modern, why would we assume the piece is old? The common royal animals of ancient India are tiger and elephant. I find it difficult to make an elephant of either animal. I seem to remember deer were used on Persian of Afghan civic issues, but can't find them now.

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An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 04:00:13 PM »
Can you read the text, or identify the script? That would help a lot.
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 04:44:51 PM »
I cannot, but @josephjk could. He's a whizz when it comes to South Indian scripts.

Peter
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2015, 05:09:15 PM »
I can not make any form of ancient Brahmi of it. I assumed the object above the back of the deer could be a triratna.
One thing that worries me in the new pictures is the small protrusions at the sharp edge in front of the face of the aniimal in the left picture. If a soft lead coin would have had any circulation, this should have worn off long ago. Looking at the edge and the surface i would suspect this to be a recent sand casting ?

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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2015, 09:40:00 PM »
Aha, I see it! You might be right. Well, I accept any verdict. It would be nice to see the mother of the copy, then, or a comparable type. Any copy has doubles.
By the way, the other animal, a horse? an elephant? has at least one, or maybe even two legs too many.
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2015, 01:11:04 AM »
And here's the postscript. A collector to whom I showed the coin, said that he had a box full of the same, and that they are pretty recent forgeries made in the west of China. So - I'm putting it into a box, too, and forget it.
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Re: Lead coin from Andhra Pradesh?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2015, 01:54:44 PM »
A pity, but good to get confirmation. And rest assured, you won't forget it, just adds to your experience.