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Offline Pabitra

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FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« on: March 12, 2015, 07:16:33 PM »
But it's good to see another unrealised design, so thank you, Pabitra.
you are welcome.
According to the French magazine, Monnaie Magazine, the commemorative 2 euro coin announced by the Monnaie de Paris for the 2015, since last July, dedicated to commemorate the "500th
  anniversary of the Battle of Marignano" has been banned by the European Commission.

Apparently, it was vetoed by Belgium.

This then appears to be a retaliatory response.

By the way, how could Belgium, much younger than 500 years, be concerned about such an old battle?
Could some one trace that other unrealised design?

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 06:05:57 AM »
Switzerland will issue a stamp this year celebrating the 500 years of the Battle of Marignagno ... which they lost !

Just read that France has cancelled plans to issue a proposed €2 commemorative marking 500th anniversary of the battle of Marignan. Is that true?

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2015, 07:21:27 AM »
Just read that France has cancelled plans to issue a proposed €2 commemorative marking 500th anniversary of the battle of Marignan. Is that true?

Yes. Belgium objected to the proposal hence it was not approved.
I have a feeling that it was primarily a retaliatory move by France, to object to Waterloo coin.

See reply 28 of this thread.

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2015, 07:30:45 AM »
See reply 28 of this thread.

Sorry, I missed that! ::)

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 07:41:04 AM »
Anyway, I missed another coin related to military history.
A beautiful action coin, as well designed as any French coin.

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2015, 08:25:53 AM »
All of a sudden issuing a coin just got so much harder.

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2015, 10:17:54 AM »
All of a sudden issuing a coin just got so much harder.

Internal squabbles are a part of life.
France issued a coin on 70 years of peace in Europe.
May be 80 years will not be there.

Hats off to Swiss guys, for their stamp on Battle of Marignan.
It is the battle which is commemorated as a turing point in the history and not victory ( or loss).

Those who forget history, are condemned to repeat it.

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 11:40:53 AM »
A beautiful action coin, as well designed as any French coin.

As requested, I won't comment on the Waterloo coin here any more, but that "French design" has never been official. It is basically a copy of this medal, squeezed into the pill of a €2 design. :)

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2015, 11:43:24 AM »
As requested, I won't comment on the Waterloo coin here any more, but that "French design" has never been official. It is basically a copy of this medal, squeezed into the pill of a €2 design. :)

Christian

Which would be typical huh? You get a good design for a coin and not only was it not official, but it won't be released anyway.

Let's swap it for something monotonous and boring instead.  >:D

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2015, 01:12:35 PM »
Let's swap it for something monotonous and boring instead.  >:D

Seems to me that is what Eurozone wants for its coins.

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2015, 01:23:33 PM »
Boring according to YOUR tastes. But there are many euro countries. Portugal often produces very interesting designs for its collector coins. So does Ireland. Too many stars and flags are boring. Anyway, I find Britannia boring, kena, but you don't. So let's avoid simplistic stereotypes and  generalisations. "Boring" is always a matter of taste.
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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2015, 03:30:15 PM »
As requested, I won't comment on the Waterloo coin here any more, but that "French design" has never been official.

Can we have the official version of the coin from you, which was not found acceptable by ECB?

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2015, 06:39:26 PM »
Have never seen anything like an official version, and I don't know why the European Central Bank would find anything acceptable or not when it comes to coins. It's just that this particular design showed up online a while ago - and some people wrote that a medal with precisely that design, font style included, already exists. ;)

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2015, 08:39:01 PM »
We know
A. France had announced the topic
B. It is no longer available as a topic on which a coin will be issued.
Therefore it is evident that the topic was not acceptable to ECB.

C. It was therefore sent as a proposal.
D. Topic is usually accompanied by a design.
E. Else the topic approval may need to be followed by a design.
F. So it is normal practice to send them together to save on time and effort.

Is this sequence correct?
Where is it written that an accepted design of a medal can not be used a a coin design with appropriate modifications?
So a recommended design exists and in absence of any other competitor, this design is sole contender for "official draft design"

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Re: FR 2015: Battle of Marignan
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2015, 04:47:37 PM »
This is the design that France was planning to mint on the 2 euro commemorative coin "500th Anniversary of the battle of Marignano" before that issue got canceled. Documents that I received show that nor Belgium, nor any other euro country vetoed the issuance of this coin. The issuance of the coin was planned after July and around a quarter million coins would have been minted.

Quote from: Ministry of Finance of France
On the upper part of the coin, the year of the battle, made out of  figures that can be seen on the armor of  Francis the First, is depicted. In the center the name "Marignan" can be seen. Below the name, the figures "1515" represented in mirror image, form armor helmets. Thereby the year 1515 can be read both ways. The salamander, the symbol of king Francis I is shown at the bottom of the design. The entire design is dotted with sparks, which refer to the coat of arms of Francis I. At the top of the design, RF and two marks can be seen.

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