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Offline ChrisHagen

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Hi everbody! Lawrence has asked me about this coin over on eFollis.

I think it's Album 219.2 of al-Rashid, i.e. these on Zeno: http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=7029

I can't read the mint and date, though, and I'm not sure if the attribution is correct. His two predecessors also appear to be likely candidates.

If anybody could help out, Lawrence and I would be very grateful!
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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 10:21:41 PM »
Medinat al-Selam (Baghdad) 190 H; yes, A 219.2

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2015, 03:09:36 AM »
Thank you very much for the date and mint. I'm really happy to see I had found the correct catalog number. But I was far from sure. Your confirmation means a lot!

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 06:15:33 PM »
Here is another. Weight = 2.94 grams, Diameter = 21.3 mm, Year = 192 AH ?


Anjan

P.S.  Actual coin is much more beautiful than the picture taken by me.

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 10:07:31 PM »
Yes, 192 H, Eshragh B 1082, also A. 219.2. One of mine below to compare.

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 12:49:26 AM »
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An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2015, 03:43:10 AM »
Alan , your coin is flawless.

Anjan

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 06:51:24 AM »
I will throw my hat in this ring.. 193 H.

Excellent coins all!!!!

Abbasid Caliphate
Medinat al-Salam.(Baghdad, Iraq)
Harun Al-Rashid (763-809 AD)
AR Dirham 22 mm x 2.96 grams
Struck AH 193 (809 AD)
Obverse: "There is no God except Allah alone. He has no partner" in the central field, "In the name of Allah this dirhem was struck at Medinat al-Salam in the year one hundred ninety three" in the margins
Reverse: "Allah is one, Allah is eternal. He begets not neither is he begotten" in the central field, "Mohamed is the profet if Allah whom he sent with guidance and the religion of truth that he may make it victorious over every other religion. Minted in 193 AH = 809 AD.
Ref: Lavoix 843.
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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2015, 01:31:16 PM »
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Reverse: "Allah is one, Allah is eternal. He begets not neither is he begotten" in the central field

Small correction : This text may be present in some coins, but not in the ones shown here. Here the reverse central field just reads "Muhammad /Rasul / Allah" i think.

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Re: Abbasid Dirham - al-Rashid - Medinat al-Selam - 190 H - Album 219.2
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2015, 09:18:48 AM »
The last three of the coins above all probably come from the same hoard.  Buried a little after 200H but with lots of coins of Baghdad and Muhammadiyah from around 187 to 194.  I recall walking through the coffee bar at the Marriott hotel during Coinex 20 years or more back and seeing a heap of them on a coffee table.  As I recall the table was about 3 feet across and the heap filled it.   Maybe 5,000 pieces plus+???

One of my great regrets is that at that time coin weight was not a major interest.  We know the mint master at Baghdad after about 190H struck small module coins which were very exactly controlled for weight.  And that his target weight was close to 2.93g.  But a batch weighing of a couple of thousand of those coins would (or at least should) have ended debate on the matter once and for all