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Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« on: March 11, 2015, 05:55:57 PM »
Another fake coin from same ebay seller (ID: Virokamath), confirmed by Shailen Bhandare as fake too......listed as Huns, Narana / Narendra, 589-630 AD
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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2015, 04:18:57 PM »
Hmm...the one I have is nearly identical, which is often not a good sign:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,29461.msg188323.html#msg188323

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Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2015, 04:28:05 PM »
Hmm...the one I have is nearly identical, which is often not a good sign:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,29461.msg188323.html#msg188323

Can't see any difference between the two! 99.999% identical! :o

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2015, 05:29:02 PM »
All his coin edges look funny to me
Some have sloppy edge
Some have raised
But they are neat
I have always wondered how people are buying for so much

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 09:41:48 PM »
Yep - this is a die struck type, so at least one and probably both are rather good pressure casts......

Are they both from the same seller?

I saw a lot of (genuine) coins very like this on the market about 20 years back - these will be a copies of one of them.........

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2015, 02:13:05 AM »
Here is another ebay seller selling the same coin.
http://www.ebay.in/itm/india-Huns-Gandhara-Narana-Narendra-AD589-630-Uniface-EXTREMELY-FINE-RARE-/251872380799?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3aa4c3877f
Apparently an alternate id of the seller in question?

His coins are also similar in photo background. Never seen this seller in ebay before and became active only last couple of days.
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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2015, 05:06:46 AM »
Could someone please post a genuine example and a few pointers on what to look for? Honestly, I did not suspect anything based on the few specimens I checked out at Zeno pre-purchase and would probably still fall for a similar coin.

Are they both from the same seller?
I'll check my records and revert. Mine was purchased off eBay not too long back (most likely within the last year).

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2015, 05:22:16 AM »
Mine was purchased off "vintage.coins" in November last year.

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2015, 09:22:36 AM »
This one is mine, was posted earlier. Believe it to be good.
Major differences seem to be it does not have the even chocolatebrown color and the edges are clearly different. Surface details are less mushy.

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 09:38:18 AM »
Many thanks for your input overlord - very constructive.

I am reluctant to say too much about the coins I have in mind as its about 20 years back and the memory plays tricks.  The coins were all sharp grade but often worn dies and uneven strikes.  Plenty of dies and no twins.  All had been acid cleaned - no damage to the coins, but no patina remaining

Here is another from Zeno probably from that group (it was dispersed in the USA - there were lots and they were not expensive)

http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=48381

There was one very odd thing about those coins - as I remember them - the edges seemed to be "hammered up".  Something I do not recall ever seeing before.  When I say hammered up, I mean they had a bit of a tire at the edge, which was sometimes a bit sharp at 90 degrees to the plane of the flan.  The sharpness would be lacking in a cast coin - but also in a worn one from a different source.........................

Ton's coin just appeared - but that is from a different find - not cleaned, not minty grade, edges not hammered up............

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 09:47:25 AM »
Ha! - when I said 'not cleaned' I meant, not cleaned in the same way, or to the same extent......

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 09:18:24 AM »
To add to the grievances - here is the coin I got from the same seller some time in 2013. If I am not wrong he used the id 'kumbhal' at the time.
And yes, Zeno specimen referred in this thread is definitely a fake. This one - http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=129636.

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2015, 06:59:10 PM »
Oesho requests that you post the reference number of fakes and doubtful coins, so he can take action.

This is important. Coins in Zeno, like the coins shown here, are considered genuine, unless otherwise indicated. A fake on Zeno is a wide open door for a fraudster. Let's close those doors.

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Re: Huns: FAKE Narendra coin
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2015, 07:23:12 PM »
I attached the link to zeno coin in my post. Its number is #129636.