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Offline Figleaf

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 11:17:55 AM »
The NFL$ was actually Spanish colonial pesos/8 reales, but they had a different rate in the US and Canada. Canada just copied US developments, while NFL followed UK colonial policy. Before 1825, the NFL$ had a rate of 5 shillings. Afterwards, it was fixed at 4s 4d currency. The word currency is important. The currency pound was set at 17/4 sterling (UK money) or, a pound in coins was worth 1/3/1 currency. The rates were tinkered with further until in 1887 (50 Vict. cap. 4) the pound currency was deleted as intermediate reference.

The story is different for gold. Newfoundland adopted the gold standard in 1863, after Canada had done the same. It rated the NFL$ gold at 5 shillings, so 2 dollars gold was not the same as 2 dollars silver when expressed in sterling.

Source: A History of the Currency in the British Colonies by Robert Chalmers (London, 1893). There's much more detail in the book on NFL$ as well as the reforms of 1825, which were meant for all British colonies.

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 05:37:55 PM »
Imperial germany tried to introduce both coin types, 20 and 25 pfennig.

20 Pfennig (Silver) KM#5, 1873-1877
20 Pfennig (Copper-nickel) KM#9, 1887-1888
20 Pfennig (Copper-nickel) KM#13, 1890-1892

25 Pfennig (Copper-nickel) KM#18, 1909-1912

All this coins were very unpopular at the people, therefore no official attempts to introduce
20 or 25 Pfennig pieces were made until the euro came in 2001.
Exceptions exist in the inflation time between 1918-1923 and in the FRG (20 Pfennig 1969-1990).

A remarkable coexistence of two near denominations is the 4 Pfennig piece of 1932 (KM#75) as a 5 Pfennig piece (KM#39) was issued the same time.
It should have prevented price increase in the years of the great depression!
People in germany did not liked that coin verry much and called it "Brüning Taler"
or "Armer Heinrich" after Reichskanzler Heinrich Brüning who was made responsible for its introduction.

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2017, 07:05:28 PM »
Ah, but Germany never had 20 and 25 Pf coins at the same time. :)  Agreed, neither denomination was really popular. The GDR, however, did have a 20 Pf coin from 1969 until 1990. Primarily for payphones (the aluminum pieces would not work there) but it was in regular use ...

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2017, 07:21:40 PM »
You are right, sorry i ment the GDR not the FRG 20 Pf. 1969-1990.
I am not used to those abbreviations in common use as we use DDR and BRD in germany  ;)

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2017, 07:43:49 PM »
Belgium had both denominations at the same time fore some time as the
20 Centimes bro, KM#146/147, 1954-1963, first introduced in 1948
was changed in the
25 Centimes cu-ni, KM#153/154, 1964-1975.
both coins were in use side by side for some time.

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2017, 08:01:49 PM »
Czechoslovakia introduced a 25 Haleru piece 1933, cu-ni (KM#16)
meanwhile the common coin in circulation was still the 20 Haleru 1921-1938, cu-ni (KM#1).
It remained a one year type!

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2017, 08:17:28 PM »
Bolivia had both denominations at the same time.

20 Centavos 1965-1973, Nickel clad Steel (KM#189)

25 Centavos 1971-1972, Nickel clad Steel (KM#193)

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2017, 08:27:37 PM »
Mexico had both at one time to.

20 Centavos 1943-1972, bro (KM#439/440/441)

25 Centavos 1950-1953, silver (KM#443)
25 Centavos 1964-1966, cu-ni (KM#444)

The 20 Centavos coin was also important for the use in public telephones!

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2017, 08:41:32 PM »
Peru had the 20 Centavos in use for a long time when they introduced the new 25 Centavos in 1965

20 Centavos 1942-1965, brass, KM#221
20 Centavos 1975, brass, KM#264

25 Centavos 1965, brass, KM#238, Commemorative: 400th Anniversary of the Foundation of La Casa de Moneda
25 Centavos 1966-1975, brass, KM#246/259

both denominations were in use at the same time

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2017, 08:56:36 PM »
Costa Rica used both!

20 Colones 1983-1996, stainless steel, KM#216

25 Colones 1995, brass plated steel, KM#229
25 Colones 2001-2005, brass KM#229a
25 Colones 2007-2014, brass plated steel, KM#229c

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2017, 09:26:36 PM »
Cuba issued  20 Centavos 1952 in silver (5 g., KM#24) commemorative: 50th Anniversary of the Republic.
One year later they introduced 25 Centavos 1953, silver (6,25 g.. KM#27) commemorative: 100th Anniversary of José Martí.

20 Centavos 1969-2010 aluminium, KM#35 is a common coin in cuba.
In addition they issued commemorative 25 Centavos, such as: Alexander von Humboldt in 1989 in cu-ni (KM#361)
25 Centavos coins are used by INTUR since 1981-1993 (KM#417/418/419)
since 1994 the peso convertible includes the 25 Centavos, Nickel plated Steel, KM#577.

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2017, 09:42:33 PM »
Western african states (BCEAO) use the 200 Francs CFA 2003-2010, Brass center in Copper-nickel Ring, KM#14, weight 7 g.
At the same time the 250 Francs CFA 1992-1996, Brass center in Copper-nickel Ring, KM#13, weight 8,2 g.  is still in circulation.
The Franc CFA has monetary parity to the euro.

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2017, 09:55:37 PM »
The hashemite kingdom of jordan changed from 20 Fils 1949-1965, cu-ni, KM#5/13, to 25 Fils (1/4 Dirham) cu-ni, KM#17/38 in 1968.
There must have been a interim phase!

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Re: 20 and 25 as denominations
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2017, 11:39:45 PM »
Supplement to Czechoslovakia!
Second republik had a 20 Haleru denomination first in brass 1947-50 KM#20
later in aluminium 1951-1952 KM#31.
People's republik changed the denomination to 25 Haleru, 1953-1964, aluminium KM#39.
In 1972 again a 20 Haleru piece, KM#74 was issued in nickel-brass, later in aluminium-bro, as a heavier coin was needed for the use in public telephones. All coins under 50 Haleru were from aluminium and to light weighted for the machines at that time!
This type was in use through all the years and political changes in 89-91, til the split of the czesk and slovakian republiks in 1993.

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Re: 20 and 25by bro as denominations
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 01:07:01 AM »
Serbia and yugoslavia even changed at least tree times from 20 to 25 Para and back in its history!
First the kingdom of serbia had a 20 para 1883-1917 cu-ni, KM#20 in use.
After the WWI and the victory over austria and the change into kingdom of yugoslavia they introduced a
25 para 1920, cu-ni KM#3.
It was replaced by the holed 25 para 1938, bro KM#17.

After massive inflation in modern p.r.of yuguslavia after its second monetary reform they issued the common 20 para 1965-1981, brass, KM#45.
It was replaced by the 25 para, bro, 1982-1983 KM#84.
 
after political changes and the the incipient balkan war, a 20 para coin-type apeared in brass, 1990-91 KM#140.
The federal republik of yugoslavia dissolved itself after 2003.

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