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Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« on: October 07, 2014, 09:31:59 PM »
look look look what I got  ;D
I know the image is of Tipu Sultan 1 paisa coin, finally got it.  :D :D

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 11:22:52 AM »
congrats on your first coin of Mysore, Nagar mint, & retrograde date AM 1226  8)
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 02:37:57 PM »
Thanks Vic, just looking at the coin you have given so much information. I am glad that I finally got it. The dealer charged me about Rs.2000 which I feel is on the higher side but then I am Ok with it as long as it is genuine.
On one side I see the elephant and the letter 'te' and on the other side I can read the date to be 1226 with the word Mouludi, referring to the calendar but do you know what's written above that?

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 03:02:33 PM »
Very nice acquisition and congrats on your venture towards the coins of Tipu Sultan. As a firm believer in the age old quote "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime".  I suggest you download the following books, which are free, and try to answer your own question.  It is this type of research that adds value to coin collecting.  Of course, when you are stuck, you can always ask for help :D.  You loose out in the end if you don't do the research up front and ask for help immediately.  That is one of the joys of owning a piece of history:

Henderson, J.R., The Coins of Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan, Madras Government Press, 1921
Jackson, R.P., Coin Collecting in Mysore, British Numismatic Journal, 1908
Thurston, Edgar, Coins. Catalogue No. 1 - Mysore with Eleven Plates, Madras Government Press, 1888
Tufnell, R.H., Catalogue of Mysore Coins in the Collection of the Government Museum, Bangalore, Madras Government Press, 1889

Come back and see if you can find the answer and post it here.  VicN has already given you a big clue with the date and mint...

Cheers,

Ram
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2014, 03:32:25 PM »
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On one side I see the elephant and the letter 'te' and on the other side I can read the date to be 1226 with the word Mouludi, referring to the calendar but do you know what's written above that?

The word you mention begins with Z to give a clue, it means the same but is however spelled differently to hundreds of other types of coins
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2014, 06:43:53 PM »
Thanks Ram and Vic, I will definately come back on this shortly. You guys know what my arabic teacher knows Farsi or Persian very well however he passed awat few months back  :( however I also know some people who know the language but not very close with them but I will definately do some research on this and get back. Cheers

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2014, 11:04:15 PM »
I'll not keep you in suspense, the word is Zahrah   which more or less means 'struck'  but the word used on most other coins is zarb
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2014, 11:17:37 PM »
:laughing:  I wouldn't have been so kind  ;).  The answer was clearly written in the first book, and in the very beginning, nonetheless   ;D
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 10:21:38 AM »
hey thanks guys ;D
but will definately read those books.  However one thing that I have noticed is that coins of Tipu are more costly when compared to other coins even though thy are just around 230 years old approx. I am getting delhi sultanate coins for less than 1/3rd price and these are nearly 700 years old

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 12:28:06 PM »
The price of a coin depends on the mintage, survival and other such circumstances that lead to the availability of a specific coin. It has very little to do with the age of the coin. This is a common notion amongst beginners or those not collecting coins the the price of coin increases with age.

I have seen hoards of dejected sellers go back from coin shows when the fortune that they expected fro their old coins is treated by the buyer as Junk.

Some current Republic India coins (which were either not introduced in to circulation or were withdrawn) are more costly than the silver Mughal rupees.

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2014, 03:21:18 PM »
now this is news for me Amit, thanks a ton man got to learn something new and valuable. I always thought that more ancient the coin the more its value. Hence I was unable to understand why delhi sultanate and other older coins are much less in value than tipu's coin.
I also thought the most delhi sultanate coins must be replicas of the original but then the seller insisted they are original, offcourse I didn't want to tell him why he is givining away at a lesser price.

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2014, 06:19:53 PM »
I'll not keep you in suspense, the word is Zahrah   which more or less means 'struck'  but the word used on most other coins is zarb
no sorry..."zohra" is the name given by Tipu Sultan to the paisa.
When he adopted this new Mauludi era, he has given new names for his coins ( written on the coin).
For the copper coins:
double paisa : was first called "othmani" and then "mushtari" (from Jupiter)
1 paisa :   " zohra" (Venus)
1/2 paisa :"bahram" (mars)
1/4 paisa :"akhtar" (star)
1/8 paisa :"qutb" (pole star)

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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2014, 06:25:05 PM »
LOL  ;D  i read it somewhere on another forum that it meant 'struck' but now I know different  ::)
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 06:55:31 PM »
Please see page 13 of Coins of Haider Ali and Tipu Sultan as it is all explained there. 
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Re: Mysore: Tipu Sultan (1782-1799) AE Paisa, Nagar Mint (KM#103.8)
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 09:49:58 PM »
Vic I am sure Zohara does not mean struck,I am not sure if it means venus. I wanted to tell this the other day but left as I dont know the correct meaning.
lots of persian words are also used in urdu(one of the local languages in india)