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Makers marks on French tokens
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:34:01 AM »
I thought I'd start with a relatively easy one. Thévenon & Cie.

See it here
here

and a street view here

I think you can see the signage neath the shrubbery.
Established 1824
And still active

Thévenon & Cie  39, rue de Montmorency (3rd arrondissement)  (November 1915 receipt available on Delcampe )

2014 ETABLISSEMENTS THEVENON - Siège social et usine - B.P. 18 - 71590 GERGY - FRANCE

Known signatures & example
THEVENON & C. C: 0.30 / (four leafed clover) / A CONSOMMER / THEVENON & C.
THEVENON & CO  C: DISTRIBUTEURS / AUTOMATIQUES / LE DENTU / THEVENON & CO *
THEVENON  O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELETAX  R: TX / THEVENON *
THEVENON PARIS O: A T V (monogram) / THEVENON PARIS  R: SOC ARD TRAM ELEC / 5 *
T & CIE [in triangle reversed] * O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELEPHONOTAX  R: TX / (makers mark)
Interestingly Elie doesn't note the makers mark.  * pictured below

I have seen a piece but not in sufficient detail with possibly THEVENON & CIE and one with THÉVENON.
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Re: French makers marks on tokens
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 08:54:02 AM »
They cleaned the window this morning but its time to trim the shrubbery too.  ;D

Just recently we had a discussion on an English makers mark on a small silver french coin, leading to a link to french type marks being added by Constanius? where is it?
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 10:54:50 AM »
They cleaned the window this morning but its time to trim the shrubbery too.  ;D

Just recently we had a discussion on an English makers mark on a small silver french coin, leading to a link to french type marks being added by Constanius? where is it?

I think they watered the shrubbery too ;D
The link was for silversmiths.
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2016, 10:52:22 AM »
Unknowns!

CH
HL
N&K
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2016, 11:39:16 AM »
A few French marks I have already saved to my PC

T & Cie with a pansy stands for THEVENON
FC stands for CARTAUX,
A.D & Cie stands for A. DUSEAUX & Cie
CHJ stands for Charles JOURDE
"P" [lightning] "L" stands for "Paul Leclere",  ~~~ ("LECLERE" is pronounced in French "L'ECLAIR" which means "Lightning")
"J"[cross]"B" stands for "Janvier - Berchot".

...and a ticket advertising Thevenon  :)
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2016, 11:47:45 AM »
Many thanks Mal

Here's my list at present:

BORY J. 21 Rue du Temple, Paris [1912]
BORY MOREAU & Cie still at this address
Annonay (Ardèche) – Union commerciale et industrielle (p26)

CARTAUX, Francis. 6, Cité Dupetit-Thouars, Paris [1899]
Triangle containing Barrel above FC
Triangle containing round dot above FC
FC monogram - FROM 5 FRANCS 1897 HERCULE SHELL
CARTAUX
CARTAUX PARIS

A. DUSEAUX & Cie 22 Rue Réamur, Paris  29 Rue pastourelle, Paris [1908]
Société Coopérative des Agents de la Cie P.L.M, Chambery (p78)

FISCH PAUL Brussels, Belgium
F & backward P monogram in inverted triangle

HATOL LÉON
Did the designs for the 1917 Besançon 5 & 10 centimes

JOURDE CHARLES
CHJ in lozenge

JULIARE L. 12 Quai du Louvre, Paris
Musee du Louvre, Cantine de Famille (p323)

KATZ E. 41 Boulevard Voltaire [1908] 39 Rue des Trois-Bornes, Paris [1928-1932]  12 Rue de Crussol, Paris [1937]
KATZ
E. KATZ
E. KATZ PARIS

LECLERE Paul 129, Rue de Turenne, Paris [1910-1916]
Took over from ROBINEAU FILS
"P" [lightning] "L"

PICHON Fils 28 Rue Gutenberg, Rue des Forges St Etienne [1925] 3 & 12 Rue des Forges [1951]
PICHON ST ETIENNE
(NB not PIGNON)
Hotel Charpin, Andrezieux-Boutheon

PIN L.
Emergency money around the Nice area

ROBINEAU FILS 129, Rue de Turenne, Paris
1853 French Award Medal for Marriage of Napoleon III & Eugenie
1855 Visit of Victoria and Albert to Paris [101 Rue de Saint-Louis]

THEVENON & CIE RUE MONTMORENCY 39, Paris [1900-1923]
Known signatures & example
THEVENON & C. C: 0.30 / (four leafed clover) / A CONSOMMER / THEVENON & C.
THEVENON & CO  C: DISTRIBUTEURS / AUTOMATIQUES / LE DENTU / THEVENON & CO
THEVENON  O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELETAX  R: TX / THEVENON
THEVENON PARIS O: A T V (monogram) / THEVENON PARIS  R: SOC ARD TRAM ELEC / 5
T & CIE [in triangle reversed, with pansy]  O: SOCIETE GENERALE DES COMPTEURS DE VOITURES. / TELEPHONOTAX  R: TX / (makers mark)
T & CIE [in triangle, with pansy]
http://www.thevenonsa.com/

UNY A GERGY
http://www.uny.fr/
Châlon-sur-Saône emergency money

VOLANT
Mainly slot machine tokens

WURDEN C. Bruxelles (c1873)

The dates for the addresses are for periods confirmed.

ZIMBERLIN
HZ

Page references: Jetons Monnaies Militaires Francais et Coloniaux 1800-2000 Elie ACJM 2003
I took Mr Bageraps advice and started wading through Elie  ;D
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2016, 11:56:05 AM »
FC mintmark



Francis Cartaux of Paris also used a round dot above FC in a triangle.
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2016, 12:18:11 PM »
I think I've incorporated most of that now Mal.  Many thanks 8)
I couldn't find any Janvier - Berchot tokens .............
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2016, 12:35:42 PM »
This thread Triangle - Cartaux is hard to find now as eurocoin took it away to his section: 'Marks on coins and tokens'. It needs careful reading as it has been corrected as the thread progresses. But it does relate to some of our information.

Edit: its back now as Cartaux - engraver

One such item, that of Paul Fisch, shows a monogram mark of P reversed joined to an F inside a triangle. See here
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2016, 12:43:46 PM »
Yes, I had trouble finding it too.
So I thought I'd just start again!  >:D
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2016, 12:50:11 PM »
Yes we most definitely need these here. I have made this a sticky now too so that it stays at the top.
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2016, 01:09:43 PM »
Splendid!  ;D
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2016, 11:06:34 AM »
Another unknown laiton fourré maker, that was available on Delcampe G.D. Paris
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2016, 11:44:22 AM »
Here is the T&Cie mark with pansy, I don't think this one could be called a four leaf clover.

Also see the HZ in oblong mark for Zimberlin
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Re: Makers marks on French tokens
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2016, 11:57:12 AM »
A L in triangle  ??? ... and they are the most perfect letters to fit in a triangle   ;D
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