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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2014, 03:45:32 AM »
The attachment I gave above is from  Scott's French Countermarks on British coins which appeared in SNC Vol LXXXVII = 87 [1979]

This was an updated version of the article which had previously appeared in parts in Vol LXXXVI = 86 - Jan, Feb. and Mar. 1978

Presumably these articles are now redundant which is fortunate as I don't have those particular months.

There is nothing regarding these pieces in Vol 78.

A copy of this article is in my Dropbox. PM me for a link to the article if required.
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2014, 04:00:51 AM »
Quote from: redwine on June 27, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
Here's a lovely ad with donkeys  8)
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9004856p.r=picotin.langEN

So not 1885  :-[ but pre 1876! Note award. And note Depositaire P. Rousseau 14 Rue Quincampoix, PARIS  :o

Not necessarily so for the countermark.

The latest dated coin that you found is 1881 - so they would have been stamped, or were still being stamped, after this date, on anything that was in circulation at that time..
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 07:05:35 AM »
Many thanks Mal  ;D
This circular is in google books.  I'm not sure about others.

And sounds feasible.  Although there does seem to be some design differences in the letters. Possibly ::)
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2014, 11:19:40 PM »
On the piece I have - the "P" at the start of "PICOTIN" has a bit missing - just as some pieces that have been shown earlier in this topic.

Thanks Mr Paul Baker
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2014, 02:13:59 PM »
Many thanks Paul.  ;D
Updated list:
1/2 d 1861 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1862 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1863 - UK (P) [cgb]
1d 1873 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1876 - UK (incomplete P) [woc]
1d 1876H - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1881 - UK (incomplete P) [delcampe]
10 centimos 1878 - Spain (incomplete P) [cgb & ebay]
10 lepta  1878 - Greece (P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centimes ? - Luxembourg (incomplete P)
5 centisimi 1862M - Italy (incomplete P) [cgb]
10 centisimi 1863M - Italy (P) [cgb]
10 centisimi 1866M - Italy (incomplete P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centisimi 1867M - Italy (P) [ebay]
10 centisimi ?T - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi ?N - Italy (P)

Edit: Added in reference
« Last Edit: March 10, 2016, 10:15:09 AM by redwine »
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2016, 10:27:39 AM »
Here is the entry for 'Le Picotin' from Jetons et médailles publicitaires français et coloniaux : Commerce et industrie, artisanat, professions libérales, maisons de tolérance ÉLIE R. 1994 in the countermark section listed under Paris.
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2017, 08:18:24 PM »
Updated list:
1/2 d 1861 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1862 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1863 - UK (P) [cgb]
1d 1873 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1876 - UK (incomplete P) [woc]
1d 1876H - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1881 - UK (incomplete P) [delcampe]
10 centimos 1878 - Spain (incomplete P) [cgb & ebay]
10 lepta  1878 - Greece (P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centimes ? - Luxembourg (incomplete P)
5 centisimi 1862M - Italy (incomplete P) [cgb]
5 centisimi 1867M - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi 1863M - Italy (P) [cgb]
10 centisimi 1866M - Italy (incomplete P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centisimi 1867M - Italy (P) [ebay]
10 centisimi 1867N - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi ?T - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi ?N - Italy (P)
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2017, 09:57:35 PM »
While not related to the 'Le Picotin' countermarks this PDF gives an insight into how the countermarked coins came about.
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2017, 06:47:44 AM »
Good to hear a Welshman started it!  >:D
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 06:35:28 PM »
Updated list:
1/2 d 1861 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1861 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1862 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1863 - UK (incomplete P) [Mal]
1d 1863 - UK (P) [cgb]
1d 1873 - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1876 - UK (incomplete P) [woc]
1d 1876H - UK (incomplete P) [ebay]
1d 1881 - UK (incomplete P) [delcampe]
10 centimos 1878 - Spain (incomplete P) [cgb & ebay]
10 lepta  1878 - Greece (P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centimes ? - Luxembourg (incomplete P)
5 centisimi 1862M - Italy (incomplete P) [cgb]
5 centisimi 1867M - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi 1863M - Italy (P) [cgb]
10 centisimi 1866M - Italy (incomplete P) [The Numismatic Circular, Volumes 87-88]
10 centisimi 1867M - Italy (P) [ebay]
10 centisimi 1867N - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi ?T - Italy (incomplete P)
10 centisimi ?N - Italy (P)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2018, 08:50:11 AM by redwine »
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2018, 07:07:21 AM »
I now have an 1863 British penny with the Le Picotin Aperitif countermark and once again its the broken P ...the stamp must have broken quite early.  ::)
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Re: Le Picotin Aperitif countermark 10 centisimi - Italy
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2018, 08:50:37 AM »
Nice one ;D
I've updated above.
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