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Offline Figleaf

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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2017, 12:29:08 PM »
Thank you. The irresponsible attitude of the auctioneers is noted.

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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2017, 07:39:23 PM »
eBay
Seller: 2010alex2007
Nepal, 1/2 Paisa (modern forgery), Surendra Vikram, KM#587, SE 1802 (1880 AD)

"Alex" - Known seller of faket coins from Kazakhstan

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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2017, 10:57:31 AM »
Unless you are an expert, assume that all coins Alex sells are fakes. He's a petty criminal, hiding in a country that doesn't care, thereby protecting petty criminals.

Peter
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2017, 12:35:21 PM »
Unless you are an expert, assume that all coins Alex sells are fakes. He's a petty criminal, hiding in a country that doesn't care, thereby protecting petty criminals.

Peter

Yes it is.
I talked to Alex on the phone a few years ago.
He believes that all coins are normal. This person evades from an honest answer, I think.
On Zeno I have a big gallery of counterfeit coins from Alex.
I will show these coins also on this forum.
I hope this will be interesting for everyone.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 10:50:24 AM »
Bhutan, Deb Rupee, KM#6, 1790-1840, Obv. Swastika (anticlockwise), Rev. retrograde. Rare coin.

Top photo, modern fake. Seller: 2010alex2007

Lower photo, genuine coin. Image kindly provided by Klaus Bronny.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2017, 11:19:25 AM »
Bhutan, Ma-tam, KM#12, 1865-1900, Obv. Flower, Rev. Swastika (anticlockwise). Very Rare coin.

Top & Lower photo modern fake. Seller: 2010alex2007

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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2017, 03:23:07 PM »
Bhutan, Ma-tam, KM#14, 1865-1900, rev. retrograde, fish. Very common coin

Top photo, modern fake. Seller: 2010alex2007

Lower photo, genuine coin.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2017, 03:33:22 PM »
Bhutan, Che-tam, KM#15, 1865-1900, obv. knot, rev. conch. Common coin.

Top photo, modern fake. Seller: 2010alex2007

Lower photo, genuine coin.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2017, 04:13:34 PM »
 Bhutan, Ma-tam, KM#20a, 1900-1928 AD. Common coin.

3 photo, modern fake. Seller: 2010alex2007

Lower photo, genuine coin.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2017, 12:17:12 PM »
An impressive gallery already, Gusev. I am amazed at the wide variety of dies. Very cheap labour, I suppose. Were they made in Bhutan? With a little copy sign, they would be perfectly nice and legitimate tourist souvenirs, instead of a crime tool.

I don't suppose eBay was interested in removing Alex.

Peter
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Re: Modern fakes of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2017, 11:13:57 AM »
Sichuan rupee. Modern fake photo on the left, photo right - the original.


Hello,
I found the same die as the fake one on Zeno here https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=1791
Zeno doesn't list that coin as a fake. Are they wrong ?

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Re: Modern fakes of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2017, 12:08:06 PM »
Hello,
I found the same die as the fake one on Zeno here https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=1791
Zeno doesn't list that coin as a fake. Are they wrong ?
You're wrong. At Zeno shows genuine coin.
Please compare the detail headdress.
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Re: Modern fakes of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2017, 02:06:51 PM »
You're wrong. At Zeno shows genuine coin.
Please compare the detail headdress.
Maybe the 2 coins you shows shouldn't be compared  >:D
I didn't notice it first but it seems that the fake is an imitation of the "collar type" Y-3.2 while the genuine is the "without collar type" Y-3 or Y-3.1
Is the fake also magnetic ?
Did you get the weight and a picture of the other side ?
Thank you !

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Re: Modern fakes of Tibet, Nepal and Szechuan
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2017, 06:45:58 PM »
Maybe the 2 coins you shows shouldn't be compared  >:D
Is the fake also magnetic ?  Did you get the weight and a picture of the other side ?

Yes, I showed the original "without a collar". But it is necessary to compare the headdress instead of a collar.
See the original rupee from the collection of N. Rhodes (with a collar).
There is no communication with this seller mrpalmason from Iceland.
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Re: Fake coins of Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and Szechuan
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2017, 06:21:41 PM »
Modern Forgeries offered by seller best66666 (Leiden, Netherlands)  in E-bay, May to July 2017.

Information kindly provided by "everastranger".
"This seller is mainly offering Chinese coins. While most of the common coins which he is offering are genuine, nearly all scarce or rare coins appear to be modern fakes. The coins illustrated below are certainly fakes."

1. Forgery, China-Tibet, Sichuan 1/2 Rupee, ND, KM Y#2 (5.3 gr, 23.9 mm).

2.  Forgery, China-Tibet, Sichuan Rupee, ND, KM Y#3.1 (13.3 gr, 30.9 mm).
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