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Somali schizophrenia
« on: May 08, 2014, 09:11:38 PM »
Somalia, Somaliland: twin failed states. Somaliland is unrecognised, Somalia is recognised - but the recognised state is by all accounts a worse failure than the unrecognised state.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 09:12:20 PM »


First of all, look at the coat of arms on a collector coin of Somalia: 20 dollars, 1998.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2014, 09:13:52 PM »
Now look at the coat of arms on a Somaliland 1000 shillings collector coin of 2002.  Confused?

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 09:16:30 PM »
Now for a 5 dollar collector coin from Somaliland. No leopards, only an eagle, a wreath, hands, scales - this coin is trying very hard to get into several topics of our Thematics board.

Shillings, dollars? More confusion.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 09:17:52 PM »
Shillings, this time: Somaliland, 1000 shillings, 2010, and a slightly amended coat of arms.

So what's going on, Mister Moderator?

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 10:17:12 PM »
From the web site of our member africancoins:

On Somaliland.

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Somaliland gained its independence from the British on June 26th 1960, it joined Somalia (which had once been Italian Somaliland) on July 1st 1960 to form the Somali Republic. As a result of this, Somaliland left the East African Currency Board region.

Thus one or two Somali lands, sometimes joined

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For a few years the Somali Scellino (Somali Shilling), the currency unit of the Somali Republic, remained at the same Gold parity as that used for the East Africa Shilling and the Somalo (that had been the currency unit of Somalia). The Somali Republic’s first papermoney was issued in 1962 but coins were not issued at that time. So for the time being the new republic will assumably have allowed its people to continue to use the coinages they had used prior to independence. These coinages were the 1950 dated coins of Somalia (1, 5, 10 and 50 Centesimi and 1 Somalo) and the EACB coins. The very last of the EACB coins were 5 and 10 Cent coins dated 1964. For these Royal titles were omitted, signifying that these were use in EACB member countries that were newly independent.

   Former EACB members Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda each issued their first coinages in 1966 and each of these new series of coins included a 1 Shilling coin. The Somali Republic soon followed this lead by introducing a 1967 dated series of coins comprising 5, 10, 50 Centesimi/Cents and 1 Scellino/Shilling. Both English and Italians spellings of these currency units appeared on the coins. The 1967 1 Scellino was of similar size to its predecessors the East African 1 Shilling and the 1 Somalo of Somalia. All four pieces in the 1967 series had on their obverse the coat of arms of the Somali Republic with the words “SOMALI REPUBLIC” above and the same but in Arabic script below. The date also appears on the obverse, to the left in Arabic numerals and to the right in western numerals. Typical of the whole series, the 1 Scellino has a reverse comprising  “1 SCELLINO” above a small 5-pointed star, centrally, within a large circle of small dots. Over the top of the circle of dots are the words “ONE SOMALI SHILLING” and below it the denomination appears in Arabic script.

Hence shillings.

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It is mentioned in “The Numismatic History of the Birmingham Mint”, that the Birmingham Mint made the whole of the 10 Centesimi issue of this 1967 series over the years 1967 and 1968.

And on Somalia:

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there were a number of pieces by the British Royal Mint as part of various multi-national series, FAO in 1970, FAO in 1984 and International Year of the Disabled in 1983. Also from the same mint a 1979 set of 5 types marking the 10th anniversary of the revolution in Somalia.

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(There) are various series of crown-sized types in denominations 25 Shillings and 250 Shillings, known to be made by the Tower Mint, a private mint in Great Britain.

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a further shipping series and a series of “Fauna of Africa”. These types include an Arabic inscription immediately above the coat of arms and title “Somali Republic” as opposed to “Republic of Somalia”. Some of these pieces are in a smaller silver size and apparently all of them have higher denominations of 5000 Shillings and 10000 Shillings. According to Weltmünzkatalog (G. Schön, 33nd edition, 2005) these series were made by the Cuban Mint.

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This multitude of themes covered and the size and look of the coins themselves, is mainly the result of what foreign minting and marketing companies thought would gain them the most profit. The same is true for the commemorative series of quite a number of other places around the world. Ever since the 1979 series, the themes have had little connection with Somalia.

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In 1991, the regions again became two entities, Somalia was now just where Italian Somaliland had once been and the region once British Somaliland became known as Somaliland. Ever since 1991 Somalia has had nothing more than transitional governments, the current leadership resides in neighbouring Kenya

More crudely put: a couple of abject profiteers residing in Kenya sell "minting rights" of a non-existing sovereign state to ever more dubious mints so that they can live in wealth. Meanwhile, the population of their imaginary state suffers.

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An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 10:24:29 PM »
Thanks, Peter. So the answer is - whatever sells.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2015, 11:31:15 AM »
Somalia is the country phantom. It exists on the map only. And de facto already broke up. But their coins were nice...
Under Italian rule : 1, 5 and 50 centesimi.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2015, 11:34:50 AM »
Independent period.
5 & 10 centesimi.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2015, 11:35:44 AM »
50 centisimi and 1 shilling.

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 06:22:09 AM »
Now the economy is stable and they are likely to have new Central Bank management.

The Central Bank of Somalia to be Run by a White Man? - WardheerNews

Can we look forward to circulation coins ?

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Re: Somali schizophrenia
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 06:30:16 AM »
In a private conversation some time ago the Governor of the Central Bank of Somalia told me that they are working on coins but that the first priority are the banknotes.