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Official "circulation-like" sets
« on: July 04, 2010, 08:27:17 PM »
Pitcairn is a British dependency but uses the NZ dollar. The Cook Islands and Niue are territories of New Zealand.

The Niue and Pitcairn sets come from the NZ mint, but who minted the Cook Islands set?
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 08:31:50 PM »
Three more sets, all belonging to Tristan da Cunha.  I believe these were all produced by the Commonwealth Mint.

1] Stoltenhoff Island, 2008.  Uninhabited island belonging to Tristan da Cunha.

2] Gough Island, 2009.  Uninhabited island belonging to Tristan da Cunha.

3] Tristan da Cunha.

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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 08:41:54 PM »
This set of tokens from the Cocos (Keeling) Islands is official. The set was produced by "Roger Williams Mint".



See also Cocos (Keeling) Islands - Official Tokens of 2004.

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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 08:48:09 PM »
These Andorra and Nagorno-Karabakh sets come from the Kremnica Mint in Slovakia.
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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 09:50:40 PM »
For a while, I thought that by "official" you meant something like "issued by or with the explicit permission of authorities actually in control in the territory in question, independent of the question of who is legally in charge", but after you said Cocos Keeling was official, I was confused. So what do you mean by "official"?

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 10:07:12 PM »
For a while, I thought that by "official" you meant something like "issued by or with the explicit permission of authorities actually in control in the territory in question, independent of the question of who is legally in charge", but after you said Cocos Keeling was official, I was confused. So what do you mean by "official"?

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By official, I mean those locally "legally" in charge and actually in control, whether or not they are recognised by the outside world. So Cocos Keeling comes under this category, as does Transnistria.

Give me an example of a country or countries, recognised or unrecognised, with someone actually illegally in control?

This is getting complicated!

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 10:17:31 PM »

Give me an example of a country or countries, recognised or unrecognised, with someone actually illegally in control?


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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 01:38:16 AM »
Give me an example of a country or countries, recognised or unrecognised, with someone actually illegally in control?

You probably mean that those in control usually bother to make themselves legal according to local law. However, I was thinking of international law. By that standard, several authorities mentioned above may be in control, but not in accordance with international law. Remember the "pacta sunt servanda" rule: international law takes precedence over local law.

The issuers of the pieces of the Cocos-Keeling islands are neither de facto nor de jure in control of the islands.

Peter
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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 02:34:41 AM »
Transdnestr currency actually does circulate there, but only the paper money - not the coins.  Inflation renders them worthless.  It is a country that is only recognised as a state by Russia and no other countries.  I have been into Transdnestr - very unofficially - because like many places in the former USSR roads didn't always need to mind borders then, and Ukraine and Moldova being in the same country then - the roads cross the border sometimes when you are travelling to another city in Ukraine.  There are situations when travelling in Ukraine where you cross through Moldova also, again - unofficially - because you have to have a visa to travel to those places which is too much of a pain and too expensive when just travelling by road.
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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2010, 08:28:29 PM »
You probably mean that those in control usually bother to make themselves legal according to local law. However, I was thinking of international law. By that standard, several authorities mentioned above may be in control, but not in accordance with international law. Remember the "pacta sunt servanda" rule: international law takes precedence over local law.

The issuers of the pieces of the Cocos-Keeling islands are neither de facto nor de jure in control of the islands.

Peter

So when the blurb says "Authorized by the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Shire Council", you are claiming that this is incorrect?

As for international law, who makes it, who interprets it, who enforces it, and in whose interests? It's all contextual. Look at the recent independence of Kosovo, expedited by the EU and ex-President Bush, as his way of saying, "Look, these people of a certain religion, I deal with them even-handedly!" Had there been no 9/11, Kosovo would likely still be part of Serbia, and Russia would not have invaded Georgia as a quid-pro-quo.

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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2010, 08:38:17 PM »
The great majority of the issue of the Cocos-Keeling islands was issued by the Clunies-Ross family.

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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2010, 08:39:34 PM »
True, but the set I illustrated here was a set of modern tokens from the Noughties, not the classic infamous ones you have in mind.

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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2010, 12:54:34 AM »
Seems some of the designs have been redone for 2010.
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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 10:17:00 PM »
Tristan da Cunha has issued a marine life collector set, dated 2011, in honour of its uninhabited island, Nightingale Island. Remember that, though this set is an official issue from TDC, these pieces are intended for collectors only and do NOT circulate. TDC is a British overseas territory and uses British coins and banknotes only.
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Re: Official "circulation-like" sets
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2012, 09:53:54 PM »
New COLLECTOR set from Tokelau for 2012.  NOTE: this set is an official issue BUT is for collectors only. It does NOT circulate. Tokelau is a territory of New Zealand and uses New Zealand coinage and banknotes only.