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Started by Figleaf, January 02, 2009, 02:58:45 PM
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Quote from: brandm24 on June 20, 2020, 02:06:41 PMI see your first example is dated 1862. That's the very early years of this type of encasement.
Quote from: brandm24 on June 20, 2020, 11:25:52 AMI thought I'd wake this thread up after so many years. I found this interesting piece of French encased postage and it seemed the right place to post it.Mr. Google has let me down again. I'm not really getting good translations so I'm not sure who issued it. I thought it could be roughly dated from the stamp itself. Any help in identifying it would be appreciated.
Quote from: stef on June 20, 2020, 06:01:43 PMHere is an ad from the French newspaper Le Figaro (19 August 1919) for L. Vaïsse. The first French agency for confidential inquiries, if my translation is correct. Seems to be some sort of detective agency in the business world. This kind of tokens were in use from 1920 to 1923-24.
Quote from: stef on June 20, 2020, 06:01:43 PMThe first French agency for confidential inquiries, if my translation is correct.
Quote from: stef on June 20, 2020, 06:01:43 PMThis kind of tokens were in use from 1920 to 1923-24.
Quote from: Figleaf on June 20, 2020, 10:28:40 PMAlmost. In this context, it is foremost, rather than first.About 1916 to 1924, I'd say.Peter
Quote from: brandm24 on June 25, 2020, 01:17:04 AMAlthough this piece displays an Italian stamp it's actually issued by a French hotel in Nice. From what I understand, Nice is so close to the Italian border that some French merchants used Italian stamps. I would think that would be true of Italian issuers (if there are any) sometimes using French stamps as well.According to the source that listed this example the piece dates to the 1920's. Would anyone know if this era's encased postage had a value attached to it or was it simply used for advertising? I've actually seen a few contemporary American issues that were used for advertising purposes and had no value attached to them.Bruce
Quote from: Figleaf on June 25, 2020, 06:15:35 AMNice, Nizza in Italian, changed hands between France and Italy a number of times, though it is at heart an Italian town. The last change took place only in 1860 and the people of Nice would probably have counted with the possibility that it would one day revert to Italy again. Nevertheless, the stamp would not be honoured by the French post office and Italy is not really in walking distance of the city centre.I know of one case where an Italian town is heavily French-oriented: Aosta. To go to France from there is even more difficult, since there are some mountains in the way.The value of the encased stamps was the denomination of the stamp. In theory, once the scarcity of coins was over, you could break out the stamp and use it without a loss of money. In practice, I suspect that an Italian stamp would pass in Nice, but travelling to Italy to spend it would cost a whole lot more than 5 centesimi (about a halfpenny in those days.)Peter
Quote from: stef on June 25, 2020, 08:52:19 AMVery curious example. It exists with with French stamps too. I couldn't find any information about the reason behind the usage of Italian stamps. You can see also the trademark of the producer - FYP ("Fallait Y Penser").The encased stamps circulated as small change but were not cost effective for the issuer. The producer required a minimum quantity of 1000 items - 10c per piece for stamped and 7.5c for colored tokens (without the value of the stamp). Obviously, for the issuer the possibility to advertise its business was more important.Most of the information about these tokens is in French but you can find an article in this journal in English (p. 99).
Quote from: FosseWay on June 25, 2020, 08:55:57 AMHere's my contribution - an Italian 10 centesimi with advert for Pirelli tyres. Issued 1919-1923 according to a seller on the web, though I have no independent verification of that.