Unidentified Paisa - Mughal or Native States?

Started by asm, December 08, 2008, 10:43:33 AM

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asm

Is there enough information on this coin to be able to atribute it? I think I can read SHAH on the obverse. The coin is in a better shape than it appears on the scan. Weight is 11.43g and the size is 18 to 20 mm.
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Overlord

#1
I can just read "Shah Al(am)" on the obverse and "Falus" on the reverse.

asm

#2
Overlord,
Thanks for confirming that with the little knowledge that I possess, I got this one right. I believe that with the little information on the coin, it may not be possible to attribute the coin correctly. However is it more likely a Mughal issue than a state issue? If so I would leave it with a note: Unattributable Mughal - Shah Alam. Another question? Which one? Shah Alam I or II.
Amit
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Rangnath

I'm sure Overlord or Oesho could provide a more accurate answer than the one I will give.
Bahadur Shah I, also known as Shah Alaam I, received the empire near its zenith, in 1707 and died five years later. I have not seen very many copper coins in his name and none of the ones I have seen look remotely like yours. There were not any independent or feudal states that I know of minting coins in his name during that time. Whereas Shah Alaam II was a ruler for some 47 years, during the nearly completed demise of the Mughal Emprie.
That was a long time in which to mint coins in his name as Mughal issues.  But the numbers of "princely states" and independent kingdoms issuing coins in his name and which continued to issue coins in his name years after his death in 1806 was... I don't know the answer!  Help! Is there an answer?  a lot?  More than 50 but less than 1000? 
There but a few copper coins in the standard catalog attributed to Shah Alaam II as Mughal issues.  Most likely your coin was minted by another entity in his name.
richie

Oesho

What can be read on the obverse is (...Ba)d Shah Gh(azi...). This little info doesn't provide us with a name. The reverse reads: (from top down) Manus / Maimanet / Jalus..
Also this gives no clue as to the issuing authority. Also no mintmark or date can be observed.
I am afraid that this coin will remain un-attributed, until a die die-identical piece is found, which show something more of the legend.


Overlord

I realize that 'Ain (as in Al-) and Ghain (as in Gha-) look quite similar. Ghain (initial) takes a dot above it, but 'Ain doesn't. Thanks Oesho.

asm

#6
Oesho,
Thanks for the valuable input. Which also means that there is no way the coin can be attributed to any Ruler or Mint. However, with your vast knowledge and experiance, would you be inclined to say that this is Mughal or a State issue? Based on the weight and size, what denomination is the coin likely to be - a Half falus?
Would it be advisable to retitle the topic as 'Unidentied xxx(denomination)' instead of the current.
Amit
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Oesho

The coin is a late Mughal issue or an issue of a Native State. Most likely the last. The denomination is a paisa.

asm

Oesho,
Thanks for the confirmation of the denomination.
Amit
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