British Co-op tokens denominated in money

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malj1

I shall have to watch out for one of those 10/- tokens. A nice piece.  8)
Malcolm
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redwine

#46
Here are the £ denominations, all round.  After a thorough check I have 9 different £1's out of 11.

Plastic
O: .CO.OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 0.81g 21.2mm Red
O: .CO.OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 0.7g 22.2mm Red
Brass
O: .CO.OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £.1 / ARDILL LEEDS  3.9g 22.8mm
O: .CO-OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / . / ARSENAL  R: £.1 / H SMITH BIRM  3.6g 23.1mm
O: .COOPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 / H SMITH BIRM  3.9g 23.2mm
O: .CO-OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 / G Y ILIFFE BIRM  3.5g 22.9mm
O: .CO-OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / . / ARSENAL  R: £.1 / SALE . BIRM  4.26g 22.6mm
O: .CO-OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 / SALE . BIRM.  3.36g 23mm
O: .CO.OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 3.83g 22.6mm
O: .COOPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 4.05g 22.6mm
O: .CO . OPERATIVE. / SOCIETY LIMITED / ROYAL / ARSENAL  R: £1 3.47g 22.5mm
Plastic
O: CO.OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED * / ROYAL / £2 / ARSENAL  R: ROYAL ARSENAL . CO.OP SOCIETY LTD * / P / 2 0.78g 25.2mm Green
O: CO.OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED * / ROYAL / £2 / ARSENAL  R: ROYAL ARSENAL . CO.OP SOCIETY LTD * / P / 2 0.87g 24.6mm Green
Brass
O: CO.OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED * / ROYAL / £2 / ARSENAL  R: ROYAL ARSENAL . CO.OP SOCIETY LTD * / P / 2 5.3g 25.7mm
O: CO.OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED * / ROYAL / £2 / ARSENAL  R: ROYAL ARSENAL * CO.OP SOCIETY LTD * / P / 2 5.3g 25.7mm (2 on reverse higher)
O: CO.OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED * / ROYAL / £2 / ARSENAL  R: ROYAL ARSENAL o CO.OP SOCIETY LTD * / P / 2. 3.74g 25.8mm
Bronze
O: ROYAL ARSENAL CO OPERATIVE SOCIETY / LIMITED / FIVE / POUNDS  R: £5  7.06g  27.7mm
O: .ROYAL.ARSENAL.CO.OPERATIVE.SOCIETY. / LIMITED / FIVE / POUNDS  R: £5  7.02g 27.5mm
O: .ROYAL.ARSENAL.CO-OPERATIVE.SOCIETY. / LIMITED / FIVE / POUNDS  R: £5  6.65g 27.4mm
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malj1

Well done!  8)

There will be an incredible number of varieties for the total collection.

Might be a good idea to do each type as a separate entry when you get to these. ... if that is the intention?  :bow:
Malcolm
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redwine

Quote from: malj1 on January 01, 2015, 12:08:41 PM
Well done!  8)

There will be an incredible number of varieties for the total collection.

Might be a good idea to do each type as a separate entry when you get to these. ... if that is the intention?  :bow:

Thanks  ;) But that was the easy bit  :'(
And you're right, by denomination.............
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malj1

Yes denomination, that's the word I was looking for.  ::)
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redwine

#50
 ;D
Bread Tokens

Bracteate
ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 1/2D / BREAD 1g 19.4mm rounded square
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 2D / - / BREAD 25.4mm 1.44g oblong with cut corners
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 2D / _ / BREAD 25.5mm 1.08g oblong with cut corners
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 3D / - / BREAD 25x18.9mm 0.9g oblong with cut corners
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 3D / _ / BREAD 25.5x19.3mm 1.04g oblong with cut corners
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 6D / - / BREAD 27.3x22.4mm 1.12g oblong with cut corners
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE / SOCY LTD / 6D / _ / BREAD 27.9x23mm 1.38g oblong with cut corners

Brass
O: .ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE. / SOCY LTD / 20/-  R: RL ARSENAL / BREAD / CO.OP SOCY / LTD 3.4g 22.3mm hexagonal
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redwine

I'm starting on 5/- pieces.
I've decided on two classes

1. Normal inner ellipse
   small size lettering
   normal size lettering
2. Smaller inner ellipse

What I'm looking for; Any large differences in fonts used, finish, size & weight of piece and

Within inner ellipse :
5/- position of characters relative to each other. Angle of slash.
Position of characters relative to the characters outside the inner ellipse.

Outside inner ellipse :
Position of characters relative to each other
The way CO-OP, CO.OP, CO OP, COOP is written.
Full stops and larger dot spacers.

Some of the problems are weak strikes, wear, rust..... It's sometimes easier to look at the back of the token

Bracteate Elliptical

1. a) Normal inner ellipse -    small size lettering
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC / * LIMITED * / 5/-  1.16g 29.8x21.5mm
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC / * LIMITED * / 5/-  1.05g 30.4x21.8mm

1. b) Normal inner ellipse -    normal size lettering
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC. / . LIMITED . / 5/-  1.22g 32.3x22.8mm (gold finish)
ROYAL ARSENAL CO OPERATIVE SOC / . LIMITED . / 5/-  1.16g 32.4x23.1mm (thick bar in 5/- points at I)
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC. / . LIMITED . / 5/-  1.34g 32.2x23mm (same as gold finish above)

2.
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC / . LIMITED . / 5/-

This is as far as I've got with the pieces shown below
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malj1

#52
These 5/- are the most difficult as so many are weakly struck.

There is also a large inner ellipse with a large 5/- and a tapered pointed slash rather than the parallel-sided slash of the small size.

With the Bread tokens I feel the description oblong with cut corners may be better? as it could confuse when we get to the octagonal pierces.

BTW I now own a 10/- token, might see it in a week or two.  ::)
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redwine

RACS 3 bobs

Denomination all almost regular octagonal bracteates.
Scanned by class within denomination. Sample size of 3.

Class 1. LTD in outer ring lettering

a) ROYAL ARSENAL CO OPERATIVE SOC. L.D. / 3/-  1.86g 29.5mm
b) ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOCY LTD. / 3/-  1.76g 29.6mm
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redwine

Quote from: malj1 on January 02, 2015, 09:55:26 AM
These 5/- are the most difficult as so many are weakly struck.

There is also a large inner ellipse with a large 5/- and a pointed slash rather than the parallel-sided slash of the small size.

With the Bread tokens I feel the description oblong with cut corners may be better? as it could confuse when we get to the octagonal pierces.

BTW I now own a 10/- token, might see it in a week or two.  ::)

Yes, you're right - I'll come back to them........... Will add the other at that point ;)
Yep re breads - now have edited above ;)
Looking forward to hearing about the 10 bobber  8)
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redwine

Class 2. LIMITED in inner circle

2.1 Parallel dash in 3/- (Sample size of 7)

ROYAL ARSENAL CO-OPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.62g  29.6mm  Small size 'LIMITED'
ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.4g  29mm  Medium size 'LIMITED'
ROYAL ARSENAL CO.OPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.4g  29.2mm  Large size 'LIMITED'
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redwine

2.2 Angled dash in 3/- (Sample size of 13)

ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.48g  29mm  wonky 3 leaning right
ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.28g  28.2mm  normal 3
ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC . / 3/- / LIMITED  1.56g  28.1mm  normal 3 gold coated
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redwine

#57
RACS 2 bobs

Denomination all almost regular octagonal bracteates.
Scanned by class within denomination.

Class 1. Straight dash. Sample size of 9. (Edit, missed one)

a) ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC · / LIMITED / 2/-  1.44g 26mm
b) ROYAL ARSENAL CO·OPERATIVE SOC· / LIMITED / 2/-  1.33g 26.7mm (dash at A level, no gap SOC.ROYAL)
c) ROYAL ARSENAL CO·OPERATIVE SOC · / LIMITED / 2/-  1.33g 25.5mm (slash points at I)
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redwine

#58
2 bob
Class 2. Angled dash

2.1 8 degree dash in 2/- (Sample size of 9)

a) ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC · / LIMITED / 2/-  1.37g  26.4mm
b) ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC · / LIMITED / 2/-  1.21g  26.4mm (smaller dash)

Particularly like the clipped one  8)  Wonder what he got for the clippings :D
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redwine

2.2 15 degree dash in 2/- (Sample size of 6)
a) ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC · / LIMITED / 2/-  1.18g 26.3mm
b) ROYAL ARSENAL COOPERATIVE SOC . / LIMITED / 2/-  1.15g 26.45mm (bigger dot)
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