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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2019, 01:21:23 PM »

Joly died in 1974 and was succeeded by Rousseau....
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See your own topic Raymond Joly where you say he died in He died on 18th June 2006, 95 years old having retired in 1974.

Rousseau's dolphin to compare!  Looks like its a repeated and inverted cornucopia after all ???
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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2019, 01:30:33 PM »
You are right, Malcolm. Somehow, I thought he died in office and I didn't check it.

I wonder if this token could have been a trial piece.

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2019, 09:20:35 PM »
Afrasi sent me an original scan. It helped greatly. I am now convinced that the monogram below the bust is RJ and that the two marks on the reverse are the same: a cornucopia and an upside down cornucopia. The original scan also shows that the token is copper-nickel. Most important, the design has much harder lines than what was shown earlier, so RJ could indeed well stand for Raymond Jolie.

With Afrasi's permission, the picture is uploaded to WoT. Click on the picture for an enlargement.

Thank you for clearing this up Afrasi! Next question: have you ever seen another one of these tokens?

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2019, 12:42:12 AM »
Next question: have you ever seen another one of these tokens?

Yes, a collector on the Facebook group: Telephone token Collectors has one.
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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2019, 01:15:54 AM »
Excellent! Thank you, Mal. I dare to conclude now that it's not a pattern, in spite of the weird double mintmark.

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2019, 08:24:03 AM »
Until now I know only one piece. The "collector" on Facebook shows my token.

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2019, 08:30:45 AM »
redwine intimates in the first post on this thread that he also has one. Or did he pass it on to you? ???
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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2019, 09:04:48 AM »
Yes, he did. :-)))

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2019, 12:39:20 AM »
So this is the only known piece so far? so it appears it could well be a pattern.

Perhaps the name of the republic had changed again before it could be produced in quantity. I.E. early 1970s.
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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2019, 03:40:08 AM »
The token is well used. Patterns usually look uncirculated.

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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2019, 03:55:26 AM »
Yes that thought that it is well used had crossed my mind too.

Of course many other telephone tokens from various countries, especially Africa, are also scarce.
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Re: Cameroon telephone token
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2019, 09:52:52 AM »
There is a new development. We just added a Malagasy telephone token (thank you, africancoins) that has the same specifications as the Cameroon token: same metal, diameter, groove. It has the owl of Raymond Joly. I think this is a major clue that Joly did not do the Cameroon token while in office.

A scenario that could explain the Cameroon token lay-out is that the owl was supposed to have been where the upside down cornucopia is now. Someone objected to the use of an official sign by a retired chief engraver. In order not to disturb the balance of the design, the upside down cornucopia was added and the engraver was invited to put his mark elsewhere.

Peter
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