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Offline ZYV

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6244 5 cents
« on: June 19, 2013, 08:39:44 PM »
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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 08:40:17 PM »
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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 11:51:51 PM »
A 5c token reward from a slot machine to play again. The number is thought to be either a number of a particular machine or the order number for the particular club using these machines.
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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2013, 11:20:53 PM »
For pieces such as the one show with the number.... the number is part of the design... part of the design from the main dies... For such pieces there are too many pieces for all to have been for one machine or even for the machines at one established..  and the numerical diffences in the numbers are usually rather large. The are a lot of "35054" in a certain size and a lot of "4461" in another size and seemingly various numbers that are more likely to be on U.S. pieces.... I think I read somewhere (old amusement machines realted publication) that these numbers were believe to perhaps be a code. I suppose it could be that each number is for a different machine/game type...

Stamped numbers seem to go with machine serial numbers.

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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2013, 12:56:41 AM »
I agree these numbered pieces originated in USA but they are found worldwide with certain numbers found in both Australia and South Africa, each claiming them to as their own.

Vince Mowery wrote an article 'A Brief History of Gaming Tokens' published in CASINO CHIP AND TOKEN NEWS | July · August · September 2002,
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There is one large class of tokens that are clearly slot tokens. Some samples are shown below. “Tokens with thousands of different numbers are known. The numbers represent individual machines or machine operators or businesses.” Although we are certain these are slot tokens, uncertainty remains as to what the numbers designated. Reverses of all the tokens below read Good For 5¢ In Trade.

“The full story behind these numbered tokens remains unknown at this time. Most of the numbers are probably serial numbers of specific machine operators.” But, in my opinion, with numbers in the thousands, this appears unlikely. Moreover, the token  which reads Machine – 109 on obverse and Good For Five (with plain numeral 5) In Trade on reverse, could lead one to conclude that numbers were associated with machines. But the questions remain: Why? And what made economic sense?


So no real conclusion. I feel certain numbers may have been exported with particular machines to other countries such as those I mentioned previously. This number would certainly facilitate re-ordering tokens, the number ensuring the correct sized token would be purchased.

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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 09:14:42 AM »
Dear friends,
thank You for the identification!
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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2018, 12:44:06 PM »
I was curious to see what this was - a brief search led me to this thread...

4461

6.9g - 30mm
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 01:05:12 AM »
This 4461 one is usually associated with South Africa but in reality could be anywhere the particular machines were in use.

Looking at Tokens of Natal I found a nearby number 4463 with the similar reverse used on this; and also on 41925
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Re: 6244 5 cents
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 10:07:16 AM »
It is also listed in British Machine Tokens as Hayes 397.16
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