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Offline Figleaf

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Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« on: August 22, 2016, 09:53:54 PM »
You are looking at a copper, 22.7 mm, 1.8 gram coin. Its ticket says: Qarakhanid fals, Nasr bin Ali, 386 AH, Ferghana. Colour was changed in order to increase contrast. I am looking for confirmation of ruler, mint and date. Have not found this design here or on Zeno.

Peter
« Last Edit: August 23, 2016, 09:36:43 AM by Figleaf »
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Re: Squaring the circle
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 05:44:09 AM »
It is al-Shash, 395AH, with the name of Yusuf (Yusuf b. Abd Allah, local ruler, not a member of Qarakhanid dynasty).

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Re: Squaring the circle
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 09:34:16 AM »
Wonderful. Caught a Shash. Thank you toofast.

Peter
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 09:41:14 AM »
I thought i had seen this one recently.
And indeed, there is a very similar one in the next CNG auction.

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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 10:37:11 AM »
Great memory. I think my coin is a bit better, though ;D Is it possible to read the texts on my coin?

Peter
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 11:58:23 AM »
A 3306A (rr); not in SNAT XVb ---; Kochnev 159. There are several variations of this issue, in the orientation of the crescent and the square and there are seven examples on Zeno http://www.zeno.ru/search.php?searchid=293893 .

The obverse centre says 'Yusuf', with the first part of the kalima round.
the reverse has the second half of the kalima in the centre with 'illah' above, surrounded by 'in the name of Allah this fals was struck in al-Shash in the year five and ninety and three hundred' starting at the vertical stroke at 12 o'clock.

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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 11:58:53 AM »
Is it possible to read the texts on my coin?

Yes, it is. Besides the name 'Yusuf' in the center of the obverse, the text is standart for kufic islamic coins.

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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 01:54:04 PM »
Thanks to all. I am even happier with the coin now than when I bought it. I am not too strong with Arabic script and helpless with kufic, in spite of Richard Plant's best efforts ;)

Peter
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 10:28:32 AM »
And it's a great design, too. Qarakhanid fulus are very attractive and variable. Is there a system in these variations? Has this shape been used by other rulers?
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 11:09:13 AM »
Searching for this one, I found some squares and lobed squares, but nothing as elaborate as this one. It's like a bald man compensating by growing a moustache and beard: compensating for a simple text with a complicated geometric design. ;)

Peter
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 12:36:01 PM »
This design reminds me of the (funeral) architecture of the area, for instance this Samanid building (photo courtesy of Wikimedia Commons), the mausoleum of Ismail ibn Ahmad, built in the early 10th century. Your coin is from 386 AH = 996 AD.
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 11:01:43 PM »
Your coin is from 386 AH = 996 AD.

I trust toofast on this. He has impressive knowledge (and documentation) of Qarakhanid and similar coins. His reading of "Yusuf" (Yusuf Qadir Khan 1026–1032 AD) is confirmed by the equally impressive Manzikert. This, in turn, confirms the date "five and ninety and three hundred".

Peter
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Re: Fals, Shash, 395AH, Yusuf
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 11:57:04 PM »
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to differ, just to put the coin into relation to the shrine - it's only just over half a century later. 395 AH = 1005 AD. I believe the shrine was finished about 940.
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