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Offline FosseWay

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Riga: strange shilling 1655
« on: July 01, 2013, 09:34:51 PM »
This piece is not only showing its age but is also significantly off-struck, but I can make out reasonably clearly both the date, 1655, and the monarch, Queen Kristina of Sweden. It would appear, therefore, to be a fairly grotty example of Livonia KM 21. Only there is no 1655 listed for KM 21, for which there is a good reason: Queen Kristina abdicated in 1654 and embarked on the mother of all mid-life crises, travelling across Europe to Rome, converting to Catholicism and becoming a nun.

1655 coins should have the titles of Karl X (i.e. KM 50).

Any ideas what this is? A bungled contemporary forgery? Some moneyer sitting in the back of beyond who was the last to know about Kristina's departure?

Allegedly silver, c. 16,2 mm, 0,57 g.

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 01:10:01 PM »
None of my solidi, even the worn ones, have that kind of coppery green corrosion. I agree with your theory that this is a contemporary forgery. These solidi were traded with far and wide, as evidenced by the large area in which metal detectorists find the coins. I believe that this is a forgery made outside Livonia, by a person who may not have heard the news of the Queen's abdication, in the days before the telegraph.

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 09:36:34 PM »
It is forgery from Suchava in Valachy. Forgeries of Christina for Livonia after 1654 are dated : (16)55, (16)61, (16)62, 1(6)66.
Livonian Coins XIII-XVIII Century by Gunnar Haljak , Tallinn 2011.

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2017, 09:55:23 PM »
It is forgery from Suchava in Valachy. Forgeries of Christina for Livonia after 1654 are dated : (16)55, (16)61, (16)62, 1(6)66.
Livonian Coins XIII-XVIII Century by Gunnar Haljak , Tallinn 2011.

Great, thanks for resurrecting this thread and clearing this up! By Suchava do you mean Suchawa near Lublin in modern Poland or Suceava in modern Romania, or somewhere else?

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 08:30:48 PM »
Valachia is in Romania. I understand that local prince opened mint and falsificated coins from many countries in large amounts.  Then Livonian shillings ( solidus ) loosed reputation, and the result was closing of Livonian mint in monastery of Riga.

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 08:59:01 PM »
Acording Livonian Coins by D.Fedorov issued 1964 your shilling is under Nr.884 in list of coins. But this book is very old and information changed with a time.

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Re: Riga: strange shilling 1655
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 09:06:36 PM »
Thank you!  :)