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My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« on: June 15, 2013, 05:01:22 PM »
I did not have a single Vatican Lire (pre-Euro) coin before getting this set, so happy to add these to the collection. :) Pre-Euro Vatican coins are not as interesting as San Marino Lire coins of the same period (theme or design wise) but they are still interesting. :D I do intend to collect the bimetallic 500 Lire coins but not sure when I'll actually start looking for them so till then I'm happy with these four.

The set has four coins: 20, 50, 100 and 200 Lire; Engraver: Guido Veroi, coin alignment (↑↓) for all the coins.

20 Lire: KM# 144, Aluminum Bronze, 21.25 mm, 3.6 g, Smooth Edge, Mintage: 120,000.

50 Lire: KM# 145, Stainless Steel, 24.8 mm, 6.2 g, Reeded Edge, Mintage: 223,000.

100 Lire: KM# 146, Stainless Steel, 27.75 mm, 8.0 g, Reeded Edge, Mintage: 399,000.

200 Lire: KM# 147, Aluminum Bronze, 24.0 mm, 5.0 g, Reeded Edge, Mintage: 355,000.


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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 05:27:52 PM »
I too have few in collections gifted by a friend.


   100 Lire     1973   1      Italy      Big   
   100 Lire     1975   1      Italy      Big   
   100 Lire     1976   1      Italy      Big   
   100 Lire     1993   1      Italy      Small   
   100 Lire     1996   1      Italy      Small   
   200 Lire     1977   1      Italy         
   200 Lire     1978   1      Italy         
   200 Lire     1980   1      Italy         
   200 Lire     1993   1      Italy         
   200 Lire     1995   1      Italy   

Cheers ;D
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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 11:31:26 PM »
I too have some coins from the Vatican before the Euro, if that can interest somebody, on the other hand I don't have any doubles for the moment!:

Coins from the Vatican      KM#         
 1/2   SOLDO   1867   XXI      
1   SOLDO   1866   LG DATE      LARGE DATE LARGE BUST
1   SOLDO   1867   R      SML OR LRG DATE?
10   SOLDI   1867   XXII   187   
1   BAIOCCO   1850   R YEAR 5      
50   CENTESIMO   1934   XIII   4   pius XI
1   LIRA   1868   XXII   188A   
1   LIRA   1951   XII   49,1   pius XII
1   LIRA   1970   VIII   116   paulVI
1   LIRA   1971   IX   116   paulVI
1   LIRA   1974   XII   116   paulVI
1   LIRA   1975   XIII   116   paulVI
2   LIRE   1967   V   93   paulVI
2   LIRE   1968   VI   101   paulVI
2   LIRE   1971   IX   117   paulVI
2   LIRE   1973   XI   117   paulVI
2   LIRE   1974   XII   117   paulVI
2   LIRE   1976   XIV   117   paulVI
2   LIRE   1977   XV   117   paulVI
5   LIRE   1951   XIII   51,1   pius XII
5   LIRE   1952   XIV   51,1   pius XII
5   LIRE   1953   XV   51,1   pius XII
5   LIRE   1964   II   78,2   paulVI
5   LIRE   1966   IV   86   paulVI
5   LIRE   1970   VIII   118   paulVI
5   LIRE   1971   IX   118   paulVI
5   LIRE   1974   XII   118   paulVI
5   LIRE   1975   Holy Year   126   paulVI - Redemption woman in Bethany
5   LIRE   1976   XIV   118   paulVI
10   LIRE   1951   XIII   52,1   pius XII
10   LIRE   1952   XIV   52,1   pius XII
10   LIRE   1953   XV   52,1   pius XII
10   LIRE   1955   XVII   52,1   pius XII
10   LIRE   1970   VIII   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1972   X   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1974   XII   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1975   XIII   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1975   XIII Holy year   127   paulVI Holy Year -reconc between God & Man
10   LIRE   1976   XIV   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1977   XV   119   paulVI
10   LIRE   1978   XVI   134   paulVI
10   LIRE   1979   I   143   jean paul II
10   LIRE   1988   XV   206   jean paul II
20   LIRE   1963   I   80,1   paulVI
20   LIRE   1970   VIII   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1972   X   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1974   XII   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1975   XIII   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1976   XIV   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1977   XV   120   paulVI
20   LIRE   1981   II   156   jean paul II
20   LIRE   1985   VII   186   jean paul II
20   LIRE   1988   X   207   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1969   VII   113   paulVI
50   LIRE   1970   VIII   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1971   IX   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1972   X   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1973   XI   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1974   XII   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1975   XIII   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1976   XIV   121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1977   XV   a121   paulVI
50   LIRE   1978   XVI   136   paulVI
50   LIRE   1979   I   145   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1985   VII   187   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1988   X   208   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1991   XIII   230   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1992   XIV   238   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1994   XVI   254   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1997   XIX   282   jean paul II
50   LIRE   1998   XX   294   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1955   XVI   53,1   pius XII
100   LIRE   1956   XVII   55   pius XII
100   LIRE   1957   XIX   55   pius XII
100   LIRE   1958   XX   55   pius XII
100   LIRE   1959   I   64,1   johannes XXIII
100   LIRE   1960   II   64,2   johannes XXIII
100   LIRE   1961   III   64,2   johannes XXIII
100   LIRE   1962   IV Fides standing   64,2   johannes XXIII
100   LIRE   1962   IV 2nd Ecumenical council   73   29,800th coin johannes XXIII
100   LIRE   1963   I   82,1   paulVI
100   LIRE   1964   II   82,2   paulVI
100   LIRE   1965   III   82,2   paulVI
100   LIRE   1966   IV   90   paulVI
100   LIRE   1970   VIII   122   paulVI
100   LIRE   1971   IX   122   paulVI
100   LIRE   1972   X   122   paulVI
100   LIRA   1973   XI   122   paulVI
100   LIRE   1974   XII   122   27,300th coin Paul VI
100   LIRA   1975   XIII   130   paulVI
100   LIRA   1976   XIV   122   paulVI
100   LIRA   1977   XV   122   paulVI
100   LIRA   1978   XVI   137   paulVI
100   LIRA   1979   I   146   jean paul II
100   LIRA   1980   II   146   jean paul II
100   LIRA   1982   IV   164   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1983   V   173   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1985   VII   188   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1987   IX   202   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1988   X   209   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1989   XI   216   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1990   XII   223   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1991   XIII   231   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1992   XIV   239   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1998   XX   296   jean paul II
100   LIRE   1999   XXI   308   jean paul II
200   LIRE   1978   XVI   138   paulVI
200   LIRE   1983   V   174   jean paul II
200   LIRE   1988   X   210   jean paul II
200   LIRE   1992   XIV   240   jean paul II
200   LIRE   1997   XIX   284   jean paul II
200   LIRE   1999   XXI   309   jean paul II
500   LIRE   1994   XVI   257   jean paul II
500   LIRE   1995   XVII   267   jean paul II
500   LIRE   2000   XXII   328   jean paul II
Ole

If you're interested in coin variants please find some English documentation here:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
and in French on Michel's site (the presentations are not the same):
http://monnaiesetvarietes.esy.es/

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My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 05:31:56 PM »
Ole,

That's a HUGE collection of Vatican coins compared to mine! ;) I just have these four from pre-euro period, and couple of Euro denominated ones...I'm not a very active collector of Vatican coins so don't have many..

Aditya
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My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 04:49:25 PM »
Here's another Vatican coin I received recently. :)

Vatican, 500 Lire (1977), KM# 132, 11g, 835/1000 Fine Silver (0.2953 ASW), 29.3 mm, Mintage: 160,000.

Obverse: Crowned Shield.


Reverse: Assorted animal heads within cross window frame


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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 04:56:49 PM »
Assorted animal heads within cross window frame

According to Christian belief, those four represent the evangelists. The man or angel refers to Matthew, the lion means Mark, the bull is Luke, and the eagle represents John.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 05:25:26 PM »
According to Christian belief, those four represent the evangelists. The man or angel refers to Matthew, the lion means Mark, the bull is Luke, and the eagle represents John.

Thank you Christian, you learn something new everyday here. :)

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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 06:31:57 PM »
In the days of the lira you used to pick up Vatican (and San Marino) coins fairly frequently in change. This is where most of my Vatican coins came from. Unfortunately they are so varied that the chances of getting more than one of the same type (never mind date) by this method were rather low, especially considering I lived in Italy for one year only. So I don't have any spares either, sorry.

Unlike Bimat, I have no Vatican euro coins, since they seem to be entirely absent from circulation. I also live in a non-euro country so don't get euros in change very often in any case.

If you are able to actually go to Italy (preferably Rome obviously but other tourist hotspots will do), a good way of picking up standard issue Vatican lira coins is to buy the 'sets' touted at the various tourist souvenir stalls. They are of course not official sets and have just been put together by people with a random assortment of Vatican coins, but they tend to be in passable condition and, at least up until my last trip to Italy in 2008, not badly priced.

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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 07:19:50 PM »
In the lira years, the Vatican was allowed to issue an entire set (seven to eight denominations) with new designs every year. The same applied to San Marino. And with few exceptions, both countries used that opportunity to make money with their money. So people who collected SM and VA "by design" had to buy a new set every year. But those who simply wanted to have one coin from the Vatican could get one without having to spend much.

When the euro cash came, the Vatican initially issued hardly any pieces for circulation. After all, there were plenty of coins from the other euro countries. :) Also, VA could no longer have new circulation coin designs all the time. Nowadays (since 2010) the Vatican is required to issue at least 51% of its regular coins for "normal" circulation. Not every denomination of course (what you find is usually the 50 cent piece), but "entirely absent" seems to apply to Göteborg, not to Rome. ;)

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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 07:22:58 PM »
In the lira years, the Vatican was allowed to issue an entire set (seven to eight denominations) with new designs every year.

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Allowed by whom? Surely the Vatican would have done just what it wanted?
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 07:25:49 PM »
Allowed by whom? Surely the Vatican would have done just what it wanted?

Huh? The Vatican and San Marino had monetary agreements with Italy, similar to what they now have with the European Union. Why do you think did SM not issue any lira coins between 1939 and 1971? ;)

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 07:28:38 PM »
Huh? The Vatican and San Marino had monetary agreements with Italy, similar to what they now have with the European Union. Why do you think did SM not issue any lira coins between 1939 and 1971? ;)

Christian

I didn't know all this, which is why I asked.
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Re: My First Pre-Euro Vatican Coins: 1979 Set
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 08:07:01 PM »
Nessun problema, signor. :)  Don't have those earlier monetary agreements at hand, but the first euro agreement did refer to "bilateral agreements on monetary matters, and in particular the Convenzione monetaria tra la Repubblica Italiana e lo Stato della Città del Vaticano, concluded on 3 December 1991". And of course there were earlier ones; here is one from 1962 for example: http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg04/lavori/stampati/pdf/10450001.pdf

Basically this goes back to the 1929 Lateran Treaties which established the Vatican City State. The Vatican was allowed to issue lira coins with the same specifications that Italy had for its own coins, but had to have its coins minted by the Italian mint (Zecca dello Stato) and had to observe certain issue volume limits. Much of this can still be found in today's EU-VA agreements ...

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