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Offline saro

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a falus to identify, origin?
« on: March 04, 2014, 04:42:43 PM »
This is a thin and large copper coin with geometrical design and square script / 2,83g & 23,5-26mm
I have no idea of its origin or date (central Asia ?)
Nothing readable (for me) except "falu(s) which is present but not clear on the 1st picture.

Help is needed...and thanks in return !

« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 11:59:15 PM by Figleaf »
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Re: a falus to identify, origin?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2014, 03:10:23 PM »
I saw this one on Ebay & was tempted to bid but didn't bother in the end although I did bid on the one with a Peacock,  your coin doesn't look typical Afghan although it's very crude,  this one of mine is also completely different to all my other civic coppers so it also remains a mystery
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Re: a falus to identify, origin?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2014, 06:24:40 PM »
Yes :  I am afraid it will remain for a time as a mysterious coin ...
it's a crude work but the coin doesn't appear to be worn and has a nice patina ...
I am quite certain that it is not a falus from Iran or Afghanistan but better a coin of some late Khanat of Central Asia (Caucase ?)
With some patience, I am sure that a similar coin will appear..

Your coin has an afghan design but except a (very) stylised "zarb" I'm afraid that there is nothing too which allows any attribution ???

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Re: a falus to identify, origin?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 12:03:48 PM »
I think that now a part of mystery is swept...and that it's a (crude !...) copy a late byzantine coin where  geometrical lines replace  the original design; the basis of the king's bust and a cross are still visible.
It's also possible that this thin and wide coin could be in Cu-Ag alloy (high copper content) instead of pure copper?
To facilitate identification, my previous pictures were to rotate 180° !  :D
(I join, for comparison a coin of Manuel II Paleologue / Constantinople, AE 1,04g )

I am not a specialist of byzantine coins, may be somebody knows more about it ...
« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 12:41:06 PM by saro »
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Re: a falus to identify, origin?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 12:52:19 PM »
I know next to nothing about Byzantine coins, but I do know that Byzantine coins were copied in what is now Egypt, Libya and Tunisia as the power of Byzantium receded and that of their successors was not yet established. The advent of Islam very easily explains why the design is roughly recognisable, but the heads are not.

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Re: a falus to identify, origin?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 03:15:39 PM »
Many thanks Peter, with no doubt that is the good way...
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