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German token for dinner (before WWI)?

Started by ZYV, March 10, 2013, 04:56:51 PM

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ZYV

Please tell:
where?
when?
who?
why?
:)
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ZYV

My publications on numismatics and history of Golden Horde  https://independent.academia.edu/ZayonchkovskyYuru

sigistenz

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BURS.ALBERT.FRIBURG. are abbreviations. As there is an ALBERTINUM in FRIBOURG, Switzerland, the token is probably from there (Dominican Priory) - see link.
http://myoxfordmovements.blogspot.be/2011/06/weekend-in-switzerland.html


chrisild

Could also be related to Freiburg, BW, DE though. The Latin(ized) version of Freiburg is Friburgum ...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertusburse (article in German)

And - welcome, sigistenz, to the World of Coins! :)

Christian

sigistenz

Quote from: chrisild on March 10, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
Could also be related to Freiburg, BW, DE though. The Latin(ized) version of Freiburg is Friburgum ...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertusburse (article in German)

And - welcome, sigistenz, to the World of Coins! :)

Christian
Bingo - that must be it! :)  Thanks for welcoming me, Sigi

ZYV

Dear  sigistenz,
dear chrisild
thank You very much for Your help!
My publications on numismatics and history of Golden Horde  https://independent.academia.edu/ZayonchkovskyYuru

translateltd

Menzel, catalogue reference 8117/2 (Freiburg, Germany), brass, 18.6 mm.  There is an "ABEND" version too (8117/1).

Menzel quotes a reference in the literature: Zerbes, Georg: Studentische Wertmarken im deutschsprachigen Raum, 3. Auflage, Müllheim 1998.


ZYV

Dear translateltd,
thank You for the information!

Who, where and why we Know.  :)
And what can be said about
- dating,
- current market price
                                   of the token?
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translateltd

Menzel doesn't give a date.  Price quoted is €20.  One more item off the list :-)

chrisild

That Burse (students home) in Freiburg was founded in 1900, so the token cannot be older than that. By the way, "Mittag" is noon, so that one was for lunch. Martin's "Abend" (evening/night) would be the dinner counterpart. The place still serves breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, except that dinner may be somewhat frugal. :) Don't know when they stopped using such tokens though ...

Christian

ZYV

Dear friends - thank You!
It's really impressive help!
:)
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FosseWay

Quote from: chrisild on March 11, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
By the way, "Mittag" is noon, so that one was for lunch. Martin's "Abend" (evening/night) would be the dinner counterpart.

Languages can be confusing... Middag as a time of day means midday in Swedish, but as a meal it means dinner. The "Swedish" for lunch is "lunch".  :)

sigistenz

Quote from: FosseWay on March 11, 2013, 06:35:04 PM
Languages can be confusing... Middag as a time of day means midday in Swedish, but as a meal it means dinner. The "Swedish" for lunch is "lunch".  :)
Hey, "Mittag" means the time of the day in German, too. On a token it must be seen as the meal to be received at "Mittag", the "Mittagessen". 
Heydoa, Sigi ;)

chrisild

Maybe this has something to do with the "main meal shift". ;)  In most German speaking areas, the meal consumed around noon is, or at least was, the main meal of the day, while in the evening you would have something light. Quite possible that is used to be that way in Sweden too, and then the main meal moved forward (into the evening), and the word moved with it ...

Christian