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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2013, 10:27:23 AM »
Not sure yet on the use of the tokens. I noticed a couple on eBay where the sellers suggest 1920 and 1925 respectively.

The word is usually 'Depose' on french tokens meaning = registered

On the Coin slot it appears to read METTEZ above and 10 cMS below. From SCWC we have KM# 866a 10 CENTIMES 4.0000 g., Copper-Nickel, 21.3 mm. with centre hole - which the images don't have.
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2013, 10:58:57 AM »
Any indication of the size of the slot?  Prior to 1920 France had a penny-sized (31mm or so) 10c piece, which overlapped the issue period of the nickel/cupro-nickel ones by a few years toward the end.


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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2013, 11:10:23 AM »
I wondered about that but it seemed unlikely, see the image in  Reply #13 where the associated coins look smaller than pennies; although with an image its all guesswork! diameter x thickness... ??? but of course they could be American coins as its an American book.

Eta since found MARQUE DÉPOSÉE = REGISTERED MARK
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2013, 12:46:30 PM »
Villa66 : And what business is at 30 Boulevard des Italiens, Paris, these days?

Please don't laugh : A pizzeria !

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2013, 01:37:14 PM »
Villa66 : And what business is at 30 Boulevard des Italiens, Paris, these days?

Please don't laugh : A pizzeria !

Thank you--I am happy to know it!

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2013, 12:58:11 AM »

It'll be tomorrow before I can get a picture of the token I mentioned earlier, of the rooster and the 26 B'd, etc.,

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Seems they were also at 28...
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2013, 02:05:29 AM »
A panoply of birds and yet no Pathe rooster, which we know they had filed papers on before they made the switch from phonograph to gramophone (a distinction little noted today). But then they were also selling other folks' stuff, so...

Have you noticed how much wear many of the tokens have? (I know you said yours was worn, but so are most of the others I see for sale. I thank you for giving us the text on the ribbon--most have much of the text worn away.) Pure advertising pieces fall quickly out of use, in my experience anyway, so....

Earlier this afternoon I did quite a bit of reading around the web about the evolution of the juke-box and its origins in the coin-operated phonograph. (There's some interesting stuff on YouTube also, including one where what appears to be a big bronze French 10-centime gets plopped into a coin-operated phonograph.) One copyrighted but self-described "unpublished" work talked of a Copenhagen venture undertaken (about 1912-13) by Pathe which used their French "listening parlors" as a model; what made it particularly interesting to me was when the article said tokens were used to order the music played, tokens which were purchased at the door.

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 03:32:01 AM »
what made it particularly interesting to me was when the article said tokens were used to order the music played, tokens which were purchased at the door.

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That would account for the extreme wear, you buy them, use them, and next day they are back out at front door to be used again!
I wonder did you keep that link?
I saw a couple videos, one had a 25c slot but did not see the 10c one.

Here is the more worn one.
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 04:43:27 AM »
I've PM'd you with the link to The History of Coin-Operated Phonographs 1888-1998, by Gert J. Almind. The token reference is on page 69, lines 19 and 20.

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 05:26:55 AM »
What must be a somewhat earlier Pathe token than the discus-thrower; about 22mm in diameter and weighing 5.61 grams:

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 05:48:31 AM »
I like that one but I fear it will be hard to find another. I should imagine before 1906 when they changed to discs, although maybe it continued until the other suggested date of 1920-25 for the later piece. The different addresses may be a clue to dates.
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2013, 12:24:33 PM »
I now have the Berlin token.

Pathephon Salon 187/188 Friedrichstrasse Berlin ℞. Pathe Platten Spielbar Ohne Nadel Cu-Ni 22.7mm ~ In splendid condition! the ribbon is clear and you can even see it also has PATHE on the disc.
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2013, 12:59:12 PM »
Very nice
Very good condition
Congratulations !

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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2013, 11:33:39 AM »
Added a small 19mm one today, I now see they are nickle plated brass as some of the plating has peeled from the edge.
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Re: Salon Du Phonographe
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2013, 12:10:34 AM »
I now have the Italian piece from Trieste; can anyone confirm the legend on the ribbon that I read as "L'Disques Pathe cantare senza punti' ?

The Berlin piece  has 'Pathe Platten Spielbar Ohne Nadel' whilst the French ones have 'Les Disques Pathe chantent sans aiguille' which translate in English: "The Pathé records sing without a needle."

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