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Kabul to Kandahar Star (Cast fake)
« on: November 28, 2012, 02:57:17 PM »
Height=60 mm
Width=45 mm

This star, struck by Jenkins of Birmingham, was awarded to those who took part in the epic 320-mile march from the Afghan capital to Kandahar between August 9 to 31, 1880, led by General Roberts to relieve the beleaguered forces of General Burrows. The bronze used to manufacture the medal was from the guns taken from Ayub Khan at the battle of Kandahar. More information about the march can be found at this link.

The obverse shows a rayed, five-pointed star surmounted by a crown with a ring for suspension. The centre is inscribed KABVL TO KANDAHAR with 1880 at the foot and the VRI monogram of the Queen Empress at the centre. Stars were either issued unnamed or had the recipient's name impressed (to British) or engraved (to Indian troops) on the reverse.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (1881), MYB#129
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 04:36:55 PM »
I am afraid, this seems to be a copy of the Kabul to Kandhar Medal. The finishing of this medal suggests this to be a cast copy.

The original ones are very difficult to find, and even if you find one, the price is expected to be around 1000 USD.

Recently, some such medals were for sale on Ebay India, by a Delhi based medal dealer. He confirmed to me that they were cast copies.

I have attached 2 images of the original ones (Source: OMSA database and Liverpooll Medals site) for the comparison.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (1881), MYB#129
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 10:12:10 AM »
My star, purchased from the dealer in Delhi as Cast Copy.

Actually, the making of REPLACEMENT or COPY medals is a big business in UK. Since they are all modern made, they do not have any antique value. They sale for anywhere between GBP 10.00 to GBP 50.00, depending on the metal used.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (1881), MYB#129
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 11:25:47 AM »


 (Source: OMSA database and Liverpooll Medals site) for the comparison.


The site is dedicated  for medals and have vast database as well .

http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=10931


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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (Cast fake)
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2012, 03:22:05 PM »
Thanks a lot, engipress. I have changed the subject accordingly.
Will seek a refund from the seller.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (Cast fake)
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 03:34:49 PM »

Will seek a refund from the seller.

That's good news.

Happy hunting.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (1881), MYB#129
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 05:00:08 AM »
The original ones are very difficult to find, and even if you find one, the price is expected to be around 1000 USD.


A named medal should not cost more than 200-250 GBP  for Indian recipients.
Its not very commonly available but makes appearances every now and then.

Sadly not many Delhi based dealers understand the hobby and quote whatever they feel like.
(often very high)
But good thing is that they also throw away gold dust at dirt prices at times  ::)

For action in Afghanistan a specific campaign medal was also sanctioned to be awarded.
6 clasps were awarded. However no unit was present in all the six theaters and qualify for all the six of them.

For reference enclosing a IOM group of medals to Sepoy Juggut Sing 5th Goorkha Regt.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (Cast fake)
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 11:29:25 AM »
Great group! Juggut Singh certainly had an "interesting" life. He was lucky to come alive out of the Great Game.

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Re: Kabul to Kandahar Star (Cast fake)
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 02:12:08 PM »
A nice group.

Just for the information of the members, a group of Medals is often very costly, as compared to the cost of all the medals being sold as individual medals.

In fact, in Medal Collecting. the real challenge lies in finding the full history of the individual, and then try to collect all the medals to which that individual was entitled to.  And if you are able to find some documents and photos related to those medals, it is Icing on the cake.

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