Bengal Rupee Issued by Nawabs, RY5

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Probably another French India rupee in the name of Alamgir II, RY5. What is the KM and other information? If I am right could any one suggest me the metal alloy combination of these French India rupee? Why am I asking? These rupees are brighter and glitters more. Wanna know the reason. I recognized the coin from the color of the coin.

Islam

[abhinumis]

Islam da, these are not french india coins but coins issued by the nawab of bengal with murshidabad mint i.n.o alamgir II.. Similiar coins with mint name kalkatta alinagar are issued by east india company.. The east india coinage starts from Ry4 to Ry 6 onwards.. The british soon issued murshidabad rupee from Ry 6 onwards to Ry 10 with star mint mark and ry 11, 12 and 15 with crescent mint mark. I have recently posted a rupee with Ry 12.. Hope that helps

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Islam da, these are not french india coins but coins issued by the nawab of bengal with murshidabad mint...

Thanks Abhishek bhai. Does it mean that this coin was issued by Nawab Siraj Uddaulah?

[Md. Shariful Islam]

But Abhishek bhai, this coin varies in design with the other coin I have posted today. This coin has similarity with French India coins. But carry the Star mark like other coin. I am totally confused.

Islam

[Md. Shariful Islam]

This looks like KM#12 of French India but that is for Arkot mint. And I find the rupee INO Alamgir II from Murshidabad not listed in my catalogue. Probably a later edition have that included. If anyone could help out. Otherwise I guess it is a not listed one. KM# shows the mint mark (Jasmine flower) under the French India for Murshidabad but has no coin on that. The following thread may help.

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,16594.msg114609.html#msg114609

As Abhishek bhai said, this coin is from Nawabs of Bengal, could it be concluded that Nawabs issued them with help of French as history suggests that Nawab Sirajuddaulah found Sinfre (may be wrong in spelling and sorry if so) as his friend against British. Is it a coin from Nawab Sirajuddaulah? Some hypotheses.

Islam

[abhinumis]

I have sent u a personal message. That should answer ur question

[abhinumis]

Hey found a old thread which should help u gain some more info on the coin and reinforce what i said before Islam da!!
Here is the link http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,11856.msg80339.html#msg80339
P.S- Kindly change the title of the thread

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Hey found a old thread which should help u gain some more info on the coin and reinforce what i said before Islam da!!
Here is the link http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,11856.msg80339.html#msg80339
P.S- Kindly change the title of the thread

Abhishek Bhai, Thanks for helping me out. Now is the following coin of the same series but issued by EIC with RY6? I could not attribute the coin as the coin does not have the ruler's name. But from the style I guess I got it this time.

Islam

[abhinumis]

The coins of Ry 6 cannot be distinguised. So it may be a nawab issue or a EIC issue. However these are very scarce coins.. I just got a Ry 11 coin mint murshidabad of EIC. Will post as soon as I get the pics done.. I guess, very few members of WOC collect early coins of bengal presidency. My post about RY 12 coin got 48 views but no reply!! But great to see your coins Islam da!

[Md. Shariful Islam]

I know everyone is busy with Danish India at the moment . But if anyone could help me to know who was the Nawab of Bengal at the time of this RY 5 rupee? I guess Nawab Siraj Daoulah. Or is it Zafir Khan?

Islam

[Md. Shariful Islam]

I got answer to one question. RY5 of Alamgir II should be issued after 1758 and not later than 1759. It is time of Mir Jafar. But another question arises. Not to this coin but to the RY6 one. Is it a coin from this or later period? There is question. Above the top line on the obverse there is sufficient space which should have contain two dots of 'ya' of 'Alamgir'. It is not there. But the coin is from Murshidabad mint. Was Murshidabad mint used during other previous rulers? If so, what the probable ruler? Another possiblility is that it is one of a kind of either Murshidabad minted in Murshidabad or Murshidabad minted in Kalcutta mint.

Islam

[Figleaf]

Taking the coins texts and dates at face value we are dealing with Alamgir II, regnal year 5. According to this post, that translates to 1759. According to this table, the ruler in 1759 was Mir Muhammed Jafar Ali Khan Bahadur (Mir Jafar).

But that depends on whether we can believe what is on the coin.

Peter

[Md. Shariful Islam]

I take this photo from 'the early years of calcutta mint' by Dr. Paul Stevens. Here it is seen that the coin of RY6 of this thread does not have 'jasmine flower' as mint mark that is supposed to have of Murshidabad mint. It has four dots in place of the flower. Is it for the fact that the coin was issued in another mint? or it is because it is from earlier time and so the mint mark is different.

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Oh peter I beat you by 38 seconds for earlier question. Now try for the next tougher one.

[abhinumis]

Ur coin of RY 6 looks a little different from the coin in Dr.Paul Stevens' article. your coin lack the star like mark on 'shah' of badshah. The jasmine flower may be off flan in your coin.. Maybe Oesho would be able to answer it.