Author Topic: Boordgeld or ship money  (Read 11420 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6 985
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2019, 03:05:49 AM »
This entry on WoT is at odds with this page on Catawiki

Is it a coffee token rather than ships money for a cruise line?

Note too this is same both sides. I find the catalogue entry unclear on this point.

(this image is from Catawiki so we can't use)

Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline Lou Salerno

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 41
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2019, 04:10:42 AM »
Hi, Malcolm

You probably already know this, but “verenigde cargadoors kantoken” translates as “United Shipping Agents Offices”.

It certainly could be a coffee token for use on board ships.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6 985
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2019, 09:13:47 AM »
See link to WoT above; this says 'United Ship brokers Office, a combination of shipping agents and brokers from Amsterdam and Rotterdam'
Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Online Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29 280
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2019, 10:19:19 AM »
  • The VCK office was certainly big enough for a coffee machine (see pic in WoT)
  • VCK did not own any ships
  • Copper-nickel 22.5mm is a pretty standard combination for a coffee machine token
Kantoren (offices) is a typo in Kooij. The official name is kantoor (office).

Peter
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 11:27:08 PM by Figleaf »
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Offline jezuss

  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 130
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2019, 11:19:02 PM »
This entry on WoT is at odds with this page on Catawiki

Is it a coffee token rather than ships money for a cruise line?

Note too this is same both sides. I find the catalogue entry unclear on this point.


in the catalog "2z:" means both sides are the same.
kb450.1 has the vck logo on both sides.
kb450.2 has the ship with logo on both sides.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6 985
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2019, 01:07:27 AM »
Thank you Jezuss I don't understand the Dutch unfortunately.

I will amend the listing on WoT

Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Offline Lou Salerno

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 41
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2019, 03:01:34 AM »
I just today received my set of Van Ommeren tokens, so once I receive the 50c Amsterdam Boordgeld Token, I’ll have both complete sets.

Henk was nice enough to sell me the 50c. Much appreciated !!!!

Still looking for a set of the H.A.L. Tokens. There is a 10c currently listed on eBay but not the others.

Offline malj1

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6 985
  • "illegitimi non carborundum"
    • Mals Machine Tokens
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2019, 12:41:23 PM »
Today I found Numista has a Stoomvaart Maatschappij Nederland medal to commemorate the 50-years existence of the Stoomvaart Maatschappij Nederland on 13 may 1920.

Another to seek!






Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Online Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29 280
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2019, 04:27:57 PM »
Neat medal. I think the ship is SS Johan de Witt. Constructed in Amsterdam, 1916-19, delivered 1920, capacity around 1000 passengers, new bow 1933 (first bow shown on medal), converted to troop transport in Sydney, 1940, sold 1948 and renamed Neptunia, scrapped 1958.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Offline Henk

  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 227
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2019, 05:02:38 PM »
This medal is by J.C. (Johannes Cornelis) Wienecke (1872-1945). It is signed "J.C.Wienecke" and was struck at 's Rijks Munt, Utrecht. It has the caduceus mark of this mint on the edge. The medal is listed as Number 188 in: Johannes Cornels Wienecke 1972 - 1945 medailleur en stempelsnijder, Redactie Marie-Astrid Pelsdonk. Stichting Nederlandse Penningkabinetten (2017) ISBN 978-94-927-7101-8.

The description in this catalog states that the steamer Jan Pieterszoon Coen is depicted. The quantity struck is 3 pieces in gold, 300 in silver and 2300 in bronze.

Online Figleaf

  • Administrator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29 280
Re: Boordgeld or ship money
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2019, 10:02:56 PM »
Though they are not mentioned as sister ships, Coen and De Witt look like sister ships. They were built a few years apart on the same yard (Nederlandsche Scheepsbouw Mij., Amsterdam). Both had their bow reconstructed. I found a picture of Coen with the old bow and sure enough, it's like the steamer on the medal. However, the picture of De Witt above is undated. It is quite possible that the bow looked the same as on Coen before it was reconstructed.

I think there is good case for the ship on the medal being De Witt, simply because it was delivered later, so that at the time of the jubilee, it was the latest NSM ship. You would expect that on such an occasion, the company would have wanted to show their latest ship, not the penultimate one.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.