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Iran,Nasir al-din Shah, AR, 1 Qiran, Tabaristan mint
« on: November 02, 2012, 01:03:49 PM »
as best I can tell this one is from Iran, 1 Qiran, Kashan mint but there is no date visible to identify the ruler

weight 4.90g
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2012, 04:52:14 PM »
Dar al-mulk Tabaristan (and not Kashan)
There is no visible date but the ruler is Nasir al-din Shah Kajar
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 04:57:28 PM »
 it seems that there is a date under "zarb" ? except the "8" I am not sure... x308 ? for 1308?
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 05:37:43 PM »
it seems that there is a date under "zarb" ? except the "8" I am not sure... x308 ? for 1308?

close inspection shows it seems to be 28 or38 ? must be the RY as 1338 doesn't fit for  Nasir al-din Shah
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 08:42:38 PM »
The obverse is characteristic of Qajars
I agree with you,  xx38 doesn't fit , but what about (1)308, isn't it a dot between 3 and 8?
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 09:01:51 PM »
There is no dot I don't think, it's more like a distortion on the edge of the coin that shows up in the photo,I can't see it on the coin, even under a magnifying glass,
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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 09:06:07 AM »
In the square on the right, I see a 2 at 2 o'clock. If so, I would suggest that the two figures below are 48, as the first figure is sufficiently different from the 2 above to be read as a Persian 4.

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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 10:05:00 AM »
To summarize...   this qiran belongs to a Kajar ruler.

 Unfortunately the date is not clear. but one thing has to take in account for an attribution : the weight .of the coin.
With 4,90 g it is with no doubt a 26 nokhod standard coin(4,99-5,00g) and hand struck.

If we refer to litterature : The qiran under the early Kajar rulers was of 36 nokhod std = 6,90g (Fath 'Ali, Ali Shah)
Husayn 'Ali Shah (1250) has reduced the weight from 36 nokhod to 30 (5,80g) and then 28 (5,40g).
Nasir al-din Shah also continues to reduce the weight :
 - 1st std  : 28 nokhod (5,40g) / 1264 - 1273)
 - 2nd std : 26 nokhod (5,00g) / 1273 - 96)
 - 3rd std : 24 nokhod (4,60 ) / since 1296 where qiran were machine struck

In addition, it is noticed that no silver coins are known for Kashan mint for Fath 'Ali, 'Ali shah, Husayn Shah & Mhd Shah
(= 1212 to 1250)

So, if we take in account all these informations, this coin should be a qiran of the 2nd std of Nasir al-din Shah Kajar

the date is the problem... it ends by a "8" and it seems that 1278 or 1288 are not possible.  ???


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Re: Iran, AR, 1 Qiran Kashan mint ??
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 11:57:30 AM »
In the square on the right, I see a 2 at 2 o'clock. If so, I would suggest that the two figures below are 48, as the first figure is sufficiently different from the 2 above to be read as a Persian 4.

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Your right, it is a 2 & I didn't spot that, my eyesight is worse than I thought  :'(  there is also clearly a 1 above it giving the idea that the date is all there but fragmented ? problem seems to be that the date appears to be either 1228/ 1238/ 1248  ??? ???
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Re: Iran,Nasir al-din Shah, AR, 1 Qiran, Kashan mint
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2012, 05:05:29 PM »
Just noticed this in KM for the reign of Nasir al-din Shah which may explain a date that doesn't fit the ruler, it's still confusing however as regardless which of the three possible dates we choose ( 1228/ 1238/ 1248  )   non seem to fit earlier rulers either  other than Fath Ali Shah AH1212 -1250
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Re: Iran,Nasir al-din Shah, AR, 1 Qiran, Kashan mint
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2012, 09:41:09 PM »
The latest from zeno is:-   This is a contemporary counterfeit, struck on bronze or copper with dies intended for silver & gold, Nasir al-Din Shah (1264-1303 / 1848-1896), mint Dar al-Mulk Tabaristan, dated AH128[0] (the dot for the zero is often omitted on 19th century Iranian coins), type A-2930K.


http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=117583


Coin is tarnished silver as are a lot of my coins left untouched for 40 years, I don't understand where the mint can be Tabaristan when it says Kashan ?
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