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VICTORIA QUEEN : Continuous legend 1840 Obv : English Head.

Started by sekharkausik, October 14, 2012, 09:17:01 AM

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Prosit

Ok you force me to get off my lazy bum and do my own research ;)
I was referring to the Crowns minted 1839-47.
Dale



Quote from: Figleaf on October 21, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
Maybe you are referring to the band that binds the twigs forming to wreath on the reverse? Her majesty couldn't bear so much as a dimple on the nose ;)

Peter

Prosit

Here is an even better detail
Dale

repindia

The coins here are English head ones. If you want to check Indian head ones then check out eBay and look out for recent auctions in which a seller has listed 8 continuous legend Rupees (8 different auctions). The Indian head among these are #'s 2, 6 and 8. If you look at all of these then it is easy to spot the Indian head. Hope this helps.
Note: I am not endorsing any of these auctions.

repindia

Quote from: Prosit on October 21, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Here is an even better detail
Dale
The Victoria coins of India do not have this kind of details. There is a small amount of decoration on the ribbon, but that is the extent of it.

repindia

I have higher graded coins than the one I am posting, but this is my favorite.

repindia

Quote from: The Oracle on October 21, 2012, 03:16:21 PM
what can i say i am just a beginner who doesnt know much.  so your coin with abrasions and hairlines will do nicely for me.   ;D
You are being very very modest. Someone posted a banner of your coins which were very nice. Obviously we all are missing something or probably you missed something-- we might not know.  :) I could not move a similar looking coin for less than $100. Please let us know if this is some rare obscure variety.

Vivek

Intresting details...thought relevat to this topic..

Some of the features to distinguish the types in Queen Victoria Rupees.    
Victoria had acceded to the throne in 1837 but the Calcutta Mint was not able to start work on dies bearing the head of the new Queen until 1838, and even this work was superseded by the arrival of the obverse matrix die in 03rd April 1839, prepared under the inspection of Mr Boulton of Birmingham. This die proved to be the wrong size and more work was required so that coins were not issued until 1840. Meanwhile the Bombay Mint saw an opportunity to re-establish to some extent, their independence from Calcutta and produced a pattern for the new rupee coinage. The engraver of the die is not certainly known but may have been Jewram Shamji, who was employed at the mint as a die-cutter and also an engraver. Five specimens were sent to Calcutta in February 1839, but the design was rejected by the Governor General who was awaiting dies from England.
The new rupees were announced by proclamation dated 18.11.1840. This stated that from and after 11th November for Calcutta and from and after 1.4.1841 for Bombay and Madras, the coins would bear the effigy of Queen Victoria. Striking of the coins continued for a number of years until the matrix dies became worn. A new design, the so-called 'divided legend' type, was prepared by William Wyon and began to be used in Calcutta in 1850 and Bombay and Madras in 1851. The obverse die for the Victorian coinage originated from a matrix die prepared in England under the inspection of Mr. Boulton. This required some local modifications, which were undertaken at Calcutta and then shipped to Bombay and Madras. Some coins bear the initial S on the truncation of the neck, and this is attributed to J. T. Smith, who was master of the mint at Madras from February 1840 to September 1855. Coins with the S initial on the bust, therefore, can be attributed to Madras. In addition, Pridmore uses two privy marks to assign coins to the various mints. Some coins have a tiny crescent on the left part of the ribbon bow on the reverse. These he assigns to Calcutta. However, this mark is very difficult to see. Some coins have a tiny v on the right part of the ribbon, and these he attributes to Madras. Again, this mark is so tiny that it is difficult to see. However, using these marks it is possible to determine that the diameter of the coins is an easier guide to the mint of manufacture. Coins of 31.1 to 31.4 mm come from Calcutta; 31.6 to 31.7 mm from Bombay; and 31.8 to 32.3 mm from Madras. As stated above, the crescent on the bow on the reverse (see below), because it is in relief, is often worn away, so its absence can be due to wear. However, this feature has been included in the main part of the catalogue because Pridmore has established it. The distinction between 'Indian' and 'English' heads is not easy to see, with the shape of the nose probably being the best comparator (see pictures of obverse varieties). There are a number of minor 'varieties' that have not been included in the catalogue, such as reverse varieties identified by presence and absence of leaf veins, simply because these minute differences are very hard to identify. All these differences make the varieties difficult to distinguish one from another. The simplest approach is probably to start with diameter and identify the mint. This can then be followed by each of the features in the tables showing obverse and reverse varieties. Proof restrikes were all struck at the Bombay Mint and therefore diameters may not match design varieties.

M incuse variety of calcutta mint with 35 berries, sometimes appears like 'I' instead of 'M' incuse because the die became worn out as the large number of coins were minted continuously with this die.


Source: http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/Countries/East_India_Company.htm

sekharkausik

English Head are three types namely, 1. English head (short neck). 2. English head Modified Features. 3. English head completely Modified Features.

OBVERSE A -ENGLISH HEAD

(a).THE QUEEN'S HEAD HAS TWO HAIR BANDS ON TOP & ONE AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
(b).THE FIRST HAIR BAND WILL HAVE AN INCUSE LINE ON THE RIGHT END OF THE BAND.
(c).THE SECOND HAIR BAND WILL HAVE ONE RAISED HAIR STRUCK OVER IT.
(d).THE HAIR BAND AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD WILL ALSO AN INCUSE LINE ON THE LEFT END OF THE BAND.
(e).TIP OF NOSE ABOVE LETTER 'V' OF VICTORIA.
(f).THE QUEEN'S NECK TIP IS ROUNDED & AWAY FROM RIM (SHORT NECK).
(g).STRUCK AT CALCUTTA, BOMBAY & MADRAS MINTS.

OBVERSE B -   ENGLISH  HEAD- WITH MODIFIED FEATURES

(a). THE QUEEN'S HEAD HAS TWO HAIR BANDS ON TOP & ONE AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
(b). THE FIRST HAIR BAND WILL HAVE A RAISED LINE ON THE RIGHT END OF THE BAND, TWO HAIRS ARE STRUCK ON THE RAISED LINE.
(c). THE SECOND HAIR BAND WILL HAVE ONE RAISED HAIR STRUCK OVER IT.
(d). TIP OF NOSE IN LINE WITH THE LETTER 'V' OF VICTORIA.
(e). THE QUEEN'S NECK TIP IS POINTED & CLOSER TO THE RIM (LONG NECK )
(f).STRUCK AT CALCUTTA & MADRAS MINTS.



OBVERSE C – ENGLISH HEAD- WITH COMPLETELY MODIFIED FEATURES

(a).THE QUEEN'S HEAD HAS TWO HAIR BANDS ON TOP & ONE AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
(b).THE FIRST HAIR BAND WILL HAVE AN INCUSE LINE & A RAISED LINE ON THE RIGHT END OF THE BAND, ONE RAISED HAIR STRUCK ON THE INCUSE & RAISED LINE.
(c).THE SECOND HAIR BAND HAS A DIAGONAL RAISED LINE.
(d).THE HAIR BAND AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD HAS THREE RAISED LINES.
(e).TIP OF NOSE IN THE LINE WITH THE LETTER 'V' OF VICTORIA.
(f).THE QUEEN'S NECK TIP IS POINTED & ALMOST TOUCHES THE RIM.
(g).STRUCK AT CALCUTTA & BOMBAY MINTS.



OBVERSE D –INDIAN HEAD

(a). THE QUEEN'S BUST HAS SIMILAR FEATURES REGARDING ALIGNMENT OF NOSE TO THE MODIFIED FEATURES.
(b). THE QUEEN'S HEAD HAS TWO HAIR BANDS ON TOP & ONE AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD.
(c). THE FIRST HAIR BAND WILL HAVE AN INCUSE LINE & A RAISED LINE ON THE RIGHT END OF THE BAND, TWO JOINT HAIRS STRUCK AS ONE RAISED HAIR STRUCK ON THE INCUSE & RAISED LINE.

(d). THE SECOND HAIR BAND HAS A RAISED LINE OR RIDGE IN CENTRE OF THE BAND & THE HAIR BAND AT THE BACK OF THE HEAD HAS A DIAGONAL RAISED LINE.
(e). GAP BETWEEN BOTH THE LIPS IS MORE RESULTING IN OPEN MOUTHED FACE.
(f). THIS DIE WAS PREPARED BY KASHINATH DAS, CHIEF ENGRAVER OF CALCUTTA MINT

maxxdetom

Recently bought from Indian vendor, from which I have more coins all genuine.
Someone said me it can be a fake.
I think  is Madras mint (11.49 g / Ø 31.90 mm) Obverse English head type. In the reverse a bud instead of two leaves over E of ONE.

Vivek