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Offline Kushi

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Toll Tunnels using tokens
« on: August 30, 2012, 04:05:50 PM »
Do any readers know of toll tunnels that used tokens for payment of passage fees?

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 08:21:57 PM »
Depends on what you call "token". The French construction giant Vinci builds and operates (through Cofiroute) tunnels. I know one (Duplex A86) where you can buy a subscription. It works with a pass on your windshield that allows you to drive through at the toll point.

Vinci also builds tunnels in the US.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2012, 08:46:04 PM »
I have got one of the tokens as can be seen here....

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31971.html

for Prado Carenage Tunnel in France.

It is bi-metallic and rather does seem to be what is used for paying the fare. Not sure if they are still used. These do not seem to be particularly hard to find.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 09:35:51 PM »
Peter, that's not even close to a token.

Paul, thanks for the great tip. This Marseille piece (and tunnel) was unknown to me. I found their URL, but it didn't mention the token (jeton). Maybe it has gone out of use. I see that the token has a crude illustration of a tunnel going under a mountain. Nice.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012, 09:52:23 PM »
I have just a few of those RFID things...  Coloured plastic disc, a bit of very low relief design (lettering only) and very simple metal/circuit stuff inside a bit like you get inside an electronic security tag.

I would guess that you have no plan to catalogue such things. Can you confirm this ?

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 09:53:21 PM »
Obverse.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2012, 10:00:46 PM »
Hi Paul and All

I can confirm that I AM cataloging all the plastic RFID tokens used to pay for transportation. This is the latest technology and probably the best hope for the future of mass transit tokens. It looks like the only thing that can compete with the magnetic, money loaded cards. Uggh.

Keep me informed of any RFID's you find. They're all over China, at least three metros in India, Thailand, Malaysia, Turkey and Russia. Long live the RFID. Metal is better, but it looks to be on the way out.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2012, 10:04:24 PM »
Oops. Found it on their website.

"You can also pay the toll with a token of the tunnel. Tokens are valid only in the Prado Carenage tunnel are sold in rolls of 20 only to the sales office of the tunnel at a price of € 53."

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2012, 10:46:05 PM »
RFIDs... somewhere in the world there will be a collector specialising in those..... Maybe by now he will have over 100 pieces....

Have you seen the catalogues of tokens from the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States (Russia, Ukraine etc...) by A.Kozara ? Various transportation tokens are included in good detail - partly in English.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2012, 11:05:42 PM »
Yes. I have what's titled in English as A. Kozhara, Metro Tokens of CIS Countries. St. Petersburg, 2011.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 12:06:49 AM »
Peter, that's not even close to a token.

Think about it, Kushi. The only differences with your beloved RFIDs are that it's not round and doesn't go into a slot. If you want to argue that it is not a token for one of these reasons it is not a token, fine, but not even close...?

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 12:40:42 AM »
Paul, don't know what you're writing about.

All my RFID's are round, plastic, chip inside and you drop them in a turnstile or electrnic fare box reader.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2012, 08:59:26 AM »
The green piece you show is what I was writing about....

>>Coloured plastic disc, a bit of very low relief design (lettering only) and very simple metal/circuit stuff inside a bit like you get inside an electronic security tag.<<

Meaning that I believe the general FUNCTION of the circuitry in each of an RFID and a security tag device (fitted to high value item in a retail store) is similar...... Also similar wil be the circuitry in a swipe card.

However the transport RFIDs I have seen have more often been the style used in such as Kuala Lumpar, Malaysia on which the lettering is not so easy to read.

I am a little surprised that you will include these in your listings but they are not all that out of place.

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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2012, 09:31:07 AM »
Interesting that RFID is called a ticket!

They need to be listed else it is difficult to draw a line where to stop. Some look more like tokens that others.


Perhaps that previous reply was Peter not Paul?
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Re: Toll Tunnels using tokens
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2012, 10:33:31 AM »
One of my criteria in defining a token is that it is reusable. Thus all the Chinese metro, Kuala Lumpur RT, Bangalore, Kolkata and Delhi plastics are certainly fare tokens.

The vast majority of tickets are tendered and die. That's the end of their life.

There are a very few cardboard or fiber tickets that are reusable. These are cataloged only if they are round. They are nice to collect, but lie on the other side of the token line.

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