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KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« on: August 28, 2012, 12:57:07 PM »
Can anyone enlighten me with the meaning of the script initials RA between the digits of the date 17 RA 31 on this King's Private Roads metal pass?

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2012, 12:58:23 PM »
Photo credit: British Museum, Montague Guest Collection.

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2012, 01:46:20 PM »
These tickets were originally attached to keys of the gates to the road. The Kings Road was formerly a private road and these tickets were issued to holders to gain admission. It was George III's favourite road to Kew Palace. [from Davis and Waters] Several are listed; other have the initials J. R. or T. R. but unfortunately no explanation is given for any of these initials in either D&W or the Montague Guest catalogue.

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2012, 02:37:27 PM »
I imagine this could be the answer. Richard Arundell and Thomas Ripley although no JR

From Wikipedia,

Surveyor of the King's Private Roads

    1660-1690 Andrew Lawrence
    1690-1715 Michael Studholme
    1716-1731 William Watkins
    1731-1737 Richard Arundell
    1737-1756 Thomas Ripley
    1756-1757 John Offley
    1757-1760 Sir Henry Erskine, 5th Baronet
    1760–1771 Hon. Edward Finch
    1771–1772 Thomas Whateley
    1772–1782 Hon. Henry Fane
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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 02:42:33 PM »
I think that's not JR, but TR, for Thomas Ripley.

Excellent research, Malcolm!

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 02:49:37 PM »
Yes that is indeed the answer; Montague Guest has it right, T R, whilst Davis & Waters read it as J R. the image in the link clinches it.
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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 02:30:34 PM »
Here is a  T R, 1737 from eBay, forgot save link.

36mm
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 10:21:26 AM »
This image is one of the earliest road passes. Issued in the name of George II of Great Britain to allow passage on the KINGS PRIVATE ROADS, circa 1730's. Issued in many types, undated, and dated 1731 and 1737 (oval). Most of the examples are pierced for carrying on a chain. This one is 34 millimeters in diameter. More information would be welcome. K.E. Smith lists ten types. Photo: eBay.
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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 11:52:35 PM »
This undated piece is listed in Montague Guest collection as MG 738

Unfortunately no further details are given in the MG catalogue; the entry is shown below along with the image from Plate III.

The entry in Davis & Waters follows; it does mention the hole for attaching the piece to a key.

But see the merged topic above where some other details have previously placed here.

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 08:36:35 AM »
I feel this undated piece could be later than the two dated examples, as the first two have the letter U in the Priuate while this other uses a V.

See The King’s (Private) Road

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The King’s Road remained a private road until 1830, but from around 1720 it could be used by members of the public who had paid for tokens allowing them to travel along it.


From another link we have:
The King's Private Road ran between the two royal palaces of St. James's Palace, to the west of the City of London to Hampton Court further upstream on the Thames at Richmond, a distance of about 11 miles. The route is presently followed by the current line of the King's Road in Chelsea, in the later seventeenth century and eighteenth century the road ran through fields and market gardens growing produce for the London urban market. The regal name given to the road dates from the reign of Charles II (1660-1685) who made it a private road closed to public transport. During the reign of George II limited access to the route was given to local tenants and notables with passes being made available for a modest fee. Fees from the sale of passes were used to pay the gatekeepers employed to regulate traffic on the road and for the road repairs.
 Source and lovely image of the 1737 TR pass. although listed as JR in error.

Another piece is shown here

Google books show a page from London Past and Present:etc. attached; but unfortunately the following page is not part of the preview.


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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 09:14:50 AM »
The Montague Guest collection of 21 pieces is here in the British Museum; See the thirteenth item # 13/21

Another even nicer 1737 pass is for sale here: this perpetuates the JR i/o TR

Yet another interesting blog he mentions four types.

edit; saved the image from link given before it disappears.
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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 10:58:23 AM »
Great research Malcolm. We are humbly indebted to you.

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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2014, 11:57:01 AM »
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Re: KINGS PRIUATE ROADS bronze pass
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2017, 10:19:41 PM »
I added the 1737 pass recently to my collection, this one is signed TR for Thomas Ripley with countermarked number 333.

Thomas Ripley was Surveyor of the King's Private Roads 1737-1756
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