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Offline ZYV

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Help to ID private coin please
« on: August 13, 2012, 11:45:34 AM »
Friends, tell please, when and where this "50" was minted? 
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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 12:11:02 PM »
It is highly probable that it was minted in Germany, in the period 1916-1939, more likely in the period 1923-1939, after the introduction of the RM.

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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 01:20:27 PM »
Very similar to the ship kantine tokens from the early 20th century.

The SMS Emden kantine tokens are keenly sought after in Australia due to a successful skirmish in WW1
here is the 50pf from my collection.... Brass, 25mm.

 

Commissioned in 1909 the Emden had a brief, but very successful sortie in the Far East at the beginning of the war, before being battered into submission off the Cocos Islands on the 9th  November, 1914 by the Australian cruiser H.M.A.S. Sydney.
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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 02:09:23 PM »
Yes, first thing I thought too. Unfortunately, there was no warship called Ludwig. I did find a promising Ludwig Kantine in Essen (Ruhrgebiet), but no link with the coin.

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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2012, 10:43:56 PM »
Nothing in Menzel that I can see, either under "unknown issue location" or "military".


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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 11:22:55 AM »
My guess: Ansbach (Hanauer Ludwig Kantine). But I think it isn't old enough to match the token.

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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 07:39:11 PM »
Thank You very much for answers!
Negative result is a result too!

I was told - this is Russian private token, minted before 1917.
I have strong doubts, but now...
....my doubts is not so strong. :)

Thank You one more time.

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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 11:14:41 AM »
Unfortunately, there was no warship called Ludwig.
May be name of the ship was "Prinz Ludwig"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Orcades_%281921%29

My thanks to Giedrius for this version!
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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 11:20:19 AM »
Not so likely, unfortunately. The text would have said Prinz Ludwig, not Ludwig Kantine.

At the time, these pieces were sold as generic tokens. The denomination side was standard. You could either have the other side stamped with your own design or engrave your own message. Many were just left blank. Therefore, it's not necessarily a ship token.

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Re: Help to ID private coin please
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 11:38:40 AM »
The text would have said Prinz Ludwig, not Ludwig Kantine.
I can't say that You are wrong, but...
The text would have said "Prinz Ludwig Kantine" as on coins of other german ships.
And may be "Prinz ... Kantine" would  sound ungracefully?  ;)
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