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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2016, 11:44:19 PM »
Sorry. It was stolen. However, I do remember it as bronze or bronze clad, not brass.

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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2016, 11:57:15 PM »
Sorry I should have realised it was gone.
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2016, 05:05:45 AM »
Mine has a different serif on the middle stroke of the F  8)
And some different spacing
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2016, 06:38:52 AM »
My piece in hand looks the same but unfortunately doesn't show well in a scan.

Here is my piece on yours where some difference can be seen.
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2016, 09:11:32 AM »
So it appears there are at least 3 varieties of this piece  ;D
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2016, 06:24:50 PM »
I'm sure there will be die variants of this - it was issued in large numbers. I'm less convinced that there is a definitively bronze version alongside the brass and wonder whether it's just wear/toning and/or minor variations in the alloy.

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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2016, 08:47:55 PM »
I give up
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2016, 09:01:29 PM »
I found another for sale on Delcampe, this too is in brass.
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2016, 09:12:58 PM »
I just photographed mine
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2016, 10:24:27 PM »
Here are 12 of these that I found lying around. I've been staring at them for a good 20 minutes and can't really put my finger on anything that is definably different between them, except that the one at bottom right may be in a slightly different alloy as Malcolm mentioned earlier (it looks more coppery).
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2016, 11:50:26 PM »
We were looking at the serif on the middle bar of the F the bottom part of which appears to be a different but I am beginning to think its a trick of the lighting as in hand they all look the same; see your bottom row, 1, 3, and 4.

Can you do a little scrape on the edge of the last coppery looking one?


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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2016, 05:38:31 AM »
Yes, 1,3 & 4.
And look at row 2 number 2 & row 1, 4 - the top stroke of the F is nearer to the edge than the others.
Was this lift really that popular that it had to have die variants? How long was it in operation for? [1883-2010]  I should have checked this  :-[
OK, next time I'll look into the history in a bit more detail :'(
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2016, 06:51:30 AM »
Yes row 2 number 2 especially is touching the outer circle.
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2016, 07:15:43 AM »
From Smith

In 1932 both the old Katarina Hiss (elevator) and the foot bridge were torn down.

ln 1935 the new Katarina Hiss (elevator) and the bridge were opened and until 1953 only paper tickets were used.)

(Elevator, bridge, and building of the Kooperativa Foreningen)
IR o B 19 Sd K F (used from 1953 to 1958)   
IS o B 19 Sd (Cirkelkaffe ar Hojdpunkten)(Coffee-bean)
   (IS was only used for a few months)
   (since 1958 only KF paper tickets have been used.)

...so only in use for five years.
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Re: Katarinahissen lift tokens, Stockholm (KF)
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2016, 10:17:22 AM »
I've numbered them so we can be sure which ones we're talking about  ;)

Now redwine and Malcolm mention it, I can see the clear difference in 4 and 6 on the distance to the rim from the tip of the F. I'm still not seeing differences in the serifs though.

However, I do see a new variant in 4 and 6 which on the scan I thought was just a trick of the light but it's clear in hand, under a lens, as well. On all the others, the upper arm of the K disappears "behind" the upright of the F without losing definition - it just carries on till it hits the F. On 4 and 6, the K-bar becomes less distinct a few tenths of a millimetre before it hits the F, giving more of an impression of going behind it.

On the "bronze" one - the underlying metal appears to be yellowish rather than reddish, but I'm not certain whether this indicates plating or just that the alloy oxidises to a redder than normal state because of a slightly different composition.