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Offline capnbirdseye

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Counter, Nuremberg, Lauer, Venus / Furcht Gott
« on: July 16, 2012, 05:38:55 PM »
This tiny coin has VENUS on  one side & a temple with inscription on the other, I'm wondering if it's another brothel token ??

it weighs very little  0.40g   AE14
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Re: A small brothel token??
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 11:59:00 PM »
It s a reckoning Pfennig according to the initials either side of the temple, see  RE PF I shall have to check a couple of catalogues for furchtgott, I know VENUS comes up frequently. 
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Re: A small brothel token??
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 01:12:36 AM »
Agreed. Furcht Gott (fear god) and a church or chapel is hardly an appropriate text for a brothel. Probably from Nürnberg. There is an initial under the truncation, but I can't read it. My best guess is L for (IOHANN) Lauer. Same head was used by Ernst Lauer.

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Re: A small brothel token??
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 10:21:37 AM »
I Googled 'reckoning Pfennig' but it brings nothing up, what exactly is a reckoning Pfennig ?
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Re: A small brothel token??
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 11:51:55 AM »
A close translation of Rechenpfennig or rekenpenning. Counter, jeton.

The earliest counters were used for calculating on a calculating board (similar to the Asian abacus). They were usually about 30 mm diameter. This smaller version is more likely to have been used for board games, as pieces to represent players or positions (as in checkers) or to keep scores (as in card games.) The present day equivalent is the casino chip and the toy coin.

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Re: A small brothel token??
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 11:57:22 AM »
A reckoning Pfennig was used for reckoning or counting. I.E. counters used on a counting board. [abacus]

Mitchiner lists a very similar Venus obverse, this reverse is not shown, and states those bearing the simple 'L' signature of the Lauer firm were most likely struck by Johann Jacob Lauer, master 1806 retired 1852; or possibly by his father Ernst Ludwig Sigmund who did not retire until 1829. The counter was probably issued circa 1814 to 1835.

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Re: Counter, Nuremberg, Lauer, Venus / Furcht Gott
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 12:23:34 PM »
Thanks to you both, a Google of' Rechenpfennig' brings up plenty of info, here's a photo with Venus but not the same rev as mine which as peter points out is too small to be anything other than a gaming token
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Re: Counter, Nuremberg, Lauer, Venus / Furcht Gott
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 12:38:35 PM »
That in fact is the similar one I referred to and that too is only small, measuring just 20mm.
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Re: Counter, Nuremberg, Lauer, Venus / Furcht Gott
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 12:46:58 PM »
The Nuremberger families that produced Rechenpfennige thought of their dies as private property, unlike any official mint. Dies could be bought, sold and inherited. In addition, die pairing could be used to produce stuff for different markets. For instance, they could have found that the Venus dancing would be appropriate for the French and British market, because in those countries upper class gaming and prostitution went hand in hand, while your piece might have been considered more appropriate for the Scandinavian countries, where the church frowned on gaming. This explains why a die could be coupled with a number of other dies, even of different masters.

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Re: Counter, Nuremberg, Lauer, Venus / Furcht Gott
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2018, 08:18:40 PM »
Hi
I would like to enquire about this coin looks the same of yours you posted.
Thanks