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Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:24:42 PM »
Spain, Philip V, 1700-1746 AR Real (Croat) 1740    AR20    interesting little counterstamps

it's weight doesn't seem right at 2.52g for either a Real or 1/2 Real
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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 06:27:14 PM »
I can confirm 1740, as the initials JF point to the assayer of the Madrid mint (crowned M) in that year. No clue on the counterstamp, but I note that some South American countries used the Sol de Mayo on their national emblems once they achieved independence (<k> has done a thread on suns on coins). That sun seems to be on top of what could be cancellation marks. A speculative scenario could be:

  • Coin gets struck in Madrid in 1740
  • Coin circulates in South America until pretty worn
  • Local government retires the coin and makes cancellation marks
  • Before it an be melted and re-coined, revolutionaries liberate coin, decorate it with mark of revolution
  • Collector re-discovers coin in toffee tin ;)

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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 09:24:05 PM »
A well traveled coin, possibly held by Indiana Jones whilst in south America   ;D ;D

it looks like it's been had two chops with a blunt tool of some kind, part of the cancellation treatment, still baffled by the weight difference

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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 10:25:44 PM »
Hmmm, Pretty much the weight of a maravedie. Wonder if it is not silver dipped?

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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 10:28:45 PM »
Hmmm, Pretty much the weight of a maravedie. Wonder if it is not silver dipped?

too worn for that i would think, no evidence of copper showing through
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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 10:31:22 PM »
that design was only used on silver coins with a denomination 1 real and up....
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: Spain, Philip V, AR Real 1740
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 10:35:16 PM »
Technical weight is 3 grams. Could be simply a leaching of silver if it was buried. 15% loss of weight is not uncommon for this.