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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #390 on: April 05, 2021, 03:08:47 PM »
I haven't got the hang of this yet! I'll try again with the photos...

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #391 on: April 05, 2021, 07:23:08 PM »
Good stuff, agoodall. Promising also if you think you haven't got the hang of it and yet you can produce fine pictures. The early West Oxfordshire tokens look like they were used soon after decimalisation, while yours clearly came in much later and after a severe bout of inflation.

The wording and layout are virtually the same on the older token (only the word "token" is added and DISTRICT COUNCIL is now horizontal, rather than following the rim), but the deeper relief, larger font and broader rim give a sturdier impression. The denomination is a clear giveaway that your token was used later, rather than being part of the earlier series. Also, your token is not marked by use in any way.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #392 on: April 05, 2021, 07:59:40 PM »
I haven’t resized or edited photos since before Windows 10 and of course it’s been ‘improved’, so I didn’t know what I was doing. I’m not very patient with computers!

The token came from a sealed bag, so it is uncirculated. I have similar bags from the same council containing 2002 and 2003 dated £1 National Transport tokens, which sort of helps pin down a date range. The general appearance is reminiscent of the similarly sized tokens from Basingstoke & Deane, Eastleigh or West Berkshire. It begs the question, were there other issues or was this a one off and, if so, were they on a break from National Transport tokens or was this a change from paper tokens?

I always imagined this sort of information existed “somewhere” but the more I get into tokens, the more I realise how wrong I was! I’m collecting municipal pre-decimal and decimal transport tokens but I’m most interested in the decimal issues. I was working towards completing the decimals as catalogued on World of Tokens, it hadn’t occurred to me that there might be even more out there!

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #393 on: April 05, 2021, 08:26:28 PM »
Not sure when these were valid from, but they ceased to be valid on 31/03/2012
https://www.witney.net/viewblog.asp?id=977

(the government changed the funding for concessionary travel at this point, moving the money to fund the schemes from districts to county councils)

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #394 on: April 05, 2021, 08:54:33 PM »
I am sure there are more out there. We are holding a few in portfolio trying to get the permissions worked out and the contributor (now in hospital) back on his feet with sufficient energy to post them. Give it a bit of time.

The point is more and more whether the ones we are "discovering" (in a Chris Columbian sense) were actually used. The rise of the National Transport token series is one question mark. It is not clear which tokens they pushed out when. Privatisation is another factor and so is the use of paper and electronic cards. It is quite possible that new tokens had already been produced when the situation changed radically and they were suddenly no longer needed.

Good to know WoT is helpful to you. If you have any varieties or types you can add, please do so. If you need help, please let us know.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #395 on: April 05, 2021, 09:27:02 PM »
Thanks andyg - it’s still not clear whether they were referring to tokens in the name of the council or NTT issues.

Peter - I’m intrigued - I hope he makes a speedy recovery (we are usually “he”s, aren’t we)! I hadn’t considered the idea that tokens might have been produced but never used. I doubt if it will ever be possible to catalogue the paper tokens - most councils seem to have issued them and almost all the examples I have were issued between 1970 and 1974 (probably due to a very dedicated collector or dealer at the time). As for the electronic cards that replaced some token issues, they’re essentially uncollectible. I’ve tried but have only been able to find a few examples. They are veering way off topic, so a few examples will suffice for me!

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #396 on: April 05, 2021, 10:13:01 PM »
Thanks andyg - it’s still not clear whether they were referring to tokens in the name of the council or NTT issues.

Peter - I’m intrigued - I hope he makes a speedy recovery (we are usually “he”s, aren’t we)! I hadn’t considered the idea that tokens might have been produced but never used. I doubt if it will ever be possible to catalogue the paper tokens - most councils seem to have issued them and almost all the examples I have were issued between 1970 and 1974 (probably due to a very dedicated collector or dealer at the time). As for the electronic cards that replaced some token issues, they’re essentially uncollectible. I’ve tried but have only been able to find a few examples. They are veering way off topic, so a few examples will suffice for me!

With possibly two exceptions - the Sunderland issue in copper-nickel (souvenir) and I think a bronze 1p token from Plymouth (trial or test run) I'm pretty confident that all the tokens listed on WoT were used.

If you follow the acts of parliament then that goes some way to explain the issuance of the tokens,  it was only in the late 60's (?) that councils gained some responsibility to provide a concessionary fares scheme, this was delegated to the districts.  The next big change was LA reorganisation in 1974, so rural and urban district councils disappeared....

Concessionary schemes continued, but the rules were vary varied between local authorities - some, ie. Derbyshire had county schemes whilst others ie. Warwickshire were district based and had different passes to their neighbours.  Bridgnorth district (Shropshire) had for many years at least three different passes available.  In Cannock Chase district you could choose to have your pass in tokens instead of a pass, the tokens could then be used on Taxis as well as local bus.   Some local authorities issued National Transport Tokens instead of local tokens.  These little anomalies were partially cleared up when funding went from districts to counties in 2012, but even now some counties allow travel 24/7 on the passes whilst others only between 09.30 and 23.00.

National Transport tokens are still valid, I presume some counties still issue them....
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