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Greenwood & Batley Limited
« on: May 16, 2012, 08:47:02 AM »


Duncan Stratton & Co. Bombay ℞. Greenwood & Batley Limited Albion Works Leeds. Ć 15mm. Thakkar114_Misc_Tokens_1 This is the smallest of the four sizes at 1/8 rupee size; the others are 1/4, 1/2 and Rupee size.

In February 1905, Duncan Stratton & Co. of 9 Marine Street, Bombay, on behalf of H. H. the Nizam of Hyderabad's mint, ordered coin presses from Greenwood and Batley of Leeds. These presses, to strike coins of one, half, quarter and eighth rupee, were dispatched in February 1906. The manufacturers made dies and struck ‘proving pieces' to test the equipment and to 'prove' the efficiency of the minting presses to the purchasers. Proving pieces for each of the four coin sizes each bear the same designs.

Thomas Greenwood (1803-1873) and John Batley established the Greenwood and Batley partnership in 1856. They were electrical Mechanical engineers who specialised in manufacturing small arms and ammunition at the Albion Foundry, Leeds. They later moved to the Albion Works, Armley, Leeds, where this proving piece was struck. The company became Limited in 1888. They supplied coining presses and associated machinery to several foreign governments (firstly; China in 1887: at Tientsin). The Greenbat trade mark was adopted in 1967 and the company later became Greenbat Ltd., in 1973 (Hawkins 1989, pp. 552-553).

From Mitchiner, Jetons Medalets and Tokens. Vol.4 8973
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Re: Duncan Stratton & Co. Bombay
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 11:16:28 AM »
Great piece of history, Malcolm! I presume Duncan & Stratton was a mutually approved middleman for the sale, providing local knowledge of the other party to both parties. You say the pieces were struck in Leeds and shipped to India. In order to convince the Nizam's agents, I suppose either they or someone from Duncan & Stratton or both attended when the pieces were struck. The agents must have brought them back to India for inspection by the Nizam.

I would expect that only a short series were struck, yet they are catalogued. Are they rare? Scarce but hard to find? Are they commonly found in Britain or in India?

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Re: Duncan Stratton & Co. Bombay
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 02:52:43 PM »
I an unaware how many were struck but as you say it must only be a short series unless they were handed out in India or elsewhere as advertising samples.  Praful Thakkar's catalogue is very recent - 21st Century, it is also online here.

They seem rare, I have had my tiny piece 30 or 40 years and have only seen an odd one advertised a couple of times in Britain; I saw one on eBay last week which brought it to mind but I forgot to follow up on it.
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 01:11:39 AM »
I do now have another of these of exactly the same design as that shown at the head of this page, but Rupee size at 30.4mm.

Today I have added another, but different, piece to my collection: GREENWOOD & BATLEY LTD. LEEDS. ENGLAND with G&B monogram, consimilar Ć 38.6mm. 23.3g

Not realising how large and heavy it was until it was in my hand  ::)

 Graces Guide gives a lot of information about Greenwood and Batley, a large engineering manufacturer with a wide range of products, including armaments, electrical engineering, printing, of Albion Works, Armley Road, Leeds.

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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 07:41:13 AM »
Another Greenwood & Batley Limited die testing piece acquired.

Greenwood & Batley Limited "Greenbat" Albion Works GB Leeds England, same legend both sides, struck without collar, brass 40mm.


Notice too: prolonged storage in a plastic flip has resulted in tarnishing to the outside surface, while the inside [folded] has survived in almost mint state with lustre retained.
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 10:26:42 AM »
Maybe it's the other way around: chlorides in the white paper ticket attacked the inside. The owner saw only the outside and didn't notice. Chlorides may no longer be used in paper production as they are pollutants, but they still occur in old paper.

I wonder what the machine on wheels is. It looks like a mobile spaghetti maker :P

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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 11:42:56 AM »
The 'spaghetti maker' is an electric single fork lift truck. I can find hand operated ones on the web but I suspect all those larger ones have been abandoned in favour of dual fork ones which must be far stabler!

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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 12:08:12 PM »
That is what I was going to add.

Here is an enlarged view from the coin. See the Greenbat name on the side.
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2014, 05:56:03 PM »
Thank you gentlemen. Never seen anything like it. That must be the most impractical machine since the Congreve rocket. Love it!

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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2014, 10:55:53 PM »
Termed as  "Greenbat Factory Flat Truck"
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/howzey/2463196875/in/photostream/ 


The World's Carriers and Carrying Trades' Review 1927;
"The exhibit will be a comprehensive one of industrial trucks and trollies suitable for factory and warehouse transport, and also there will be a useful range of electric warehouse trucks known as the " Greenbat."

Pat
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 02:34:25 AM »
A pay check added to this collection today:

G.&.B. ALBION WORKS LEEDS No. impressed 8154 Maker Ardill Leeds uniface copper 35.4mm

Not quite as nice as the image on eBay implied! ...and it has been polished.  ::)

About the same vintage as that "Greenbat Factory Flat Truck"
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2018, 12:11:35 PM »
Recently got this Rupee Sized Token from Ebay UK. for GBP 100.00.

Similar Token sold on Todywalla Auctions for Rs. 46,000 + Tax + Commission in April 2017. (That is roughly GBP 555.00).

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(Image is from Todywalla Catalogue).
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2018, 04:41:32 PM »
For the story of these and others see Spink Numismatic Circular 1979, p.438-440, 'Proving pieces of Greenwood and Batley' by GHL Bullmore. There is a followup piece in Spink Numismatic Circular 1960, p.185-186.

I have the set of 4 Duncan Stratton pieces, but also a fifth, which at 5.48 gm, 25.4 mm seems to match the British India quarter anna. I have checked the G&B order books (which are in the West Yorkshire Archives) and it appears that in 1906 G&B provided sets of '... feed tubes and fingers ...' to the Calcutta mint for quarter annas, so presumably these trial pieces were produced at that time.

I have not seen this type listed elsewhere, but I assume there must be others around misidentified as half rupee trials.

Alan

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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2018, 04:26:51 PM »
I have the 1/2 Rupee size in mint condition
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Re: Greenwood & Batley Limited
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2018, 05:57:39 PM »
Lovely piece Vic: mine is EF but toned.

Note the different szes of lettering on the 'quarter anna' piece: 'Duncan' etc smaller, 'Greenwood' etc larger. As I said, there must be others out there, get comparing everyone, and let me know!

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