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Offline ZYV

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WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« on: May 07, 2012, 02:35:59 PM »
What is Mebedo?
Or where it is?

I found such auction description:
Bulgarien - Warna/Varna.
Militär-Eisenbahn-Betriebs-Direktion Dobruschka/Varna.
WW1 POW Camp, the military railway management Dobruschka Varna.

So prisoners of German Army worked in Bulgaria and Germans minted special tokens for them?

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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 02:37:32 PM »
P.S. The token was unearthed in the Central Ukraine.
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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 07:27:36 PM »
What is Mebedo?
Or where it is?

Militär-Eisenbahn-BEtriebsdirektion DObruschka= MEBEDO.

So prisoners of German Army worked in Bulgaria and Germans minted special tokens for them?

That would have been (and still is) in contravention of artt 49 and 50 of the Geneva convention if the prisoners were prisoners of war, but the token doesn't say so. If they were civil prisoners, the Geneva convention would not have applied to them.

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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2012, 09:44:30 PM »
Dear Peter, thank You very much for the answer!

As far as I know, Dobruschka is a town in the Czech Republic.
If so, why "Bulgarien - Warna/Varna"?
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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 11:45:54 PM »
As far as I know, Dobruschka is a town in the Czech Republic.
If so, why "Bulgarien - Warna/Varna"?

Because Dobrudscha (that would be the German spelling) is an area in Bulgaria and Romania. :) See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobruja

Cannot tell you anything about that piece, but you can also find it here ...
http://ma-shop.com/krogoll/item.php5?id=13854
... with a catalog reference: "Frenzel 42.2"

And here is the 10 Pf piece ...
http://ma-shop.com/krogoll/item.php5?id=362
... which the seller lists as "Frenzel 42.1" and "Menzel 30209.1"

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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 07:13:49 AM »
Dear chrisild, thank You for answering on my question.

But, as for me, 
Dobrudscha
Dobruschka
isn't same place.

I saw coins on ma-shops, but I can't have a look in indicated catalogs.  :-[
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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 10:31:00 AM »
Well, the token does not explicitly mention any of these places, and sorry, I do not have these catalogs either. Just saw them mentioned in the item descriptions. However, if you look at a map of NE Bulgaria, you'll see that the Dobrich and Varna provinces, both named after cities, are right next to each other: 3 = Dobrich province, 23 = Varna province. This Dobrich province is part of the historic region of Southern Dobruja. That is why I think that, if the piece has anything to do with "Dobru-whatever", it will not be the place in the Czech Republic but the area in Bulgaria/Romania.

Unfortunately "Mebedo" is also the name of a German company, founded in the late 1990s and unrelated to that WW1 military railway direction. So doing a quick web search for the term is somewhat difficult. ;)

Christian

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Re: WW1 POW Camp Token. Geld für Gefangene der Mebedo.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 10:16:52 AM »

So prisoners of German Army worked in Bulgaria and Germans minted special tokens for them?

Since Bulgaria allied with Germany in the WWI, I suppose that prisoners were not the Germans but nationals of other countries which fought against Bulgaria who were interned and worked in this camp, using such notgeld. 
« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 05:16:05 AM by Andrey5 »
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