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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #330 on: April 25, 2016, 06:54:17 PM »
The red version is nice, 550PI, I have another red one numbered 578. Just to add another, 550PD which appeared to replace the brass version.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #331 on: April 26, 2016, 01:35:32 AM »
The 1937 date is when the Tramway network was closed. The name change may have been earlier.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #332 on: May 24, 2016, 04:30:22 AM »
I swear every Glasgow 2 STAGE token I see is different.

However this one is most decidedly so.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #333 on: May 28, 2016, 05:34:53 PM »
It looks to me as though the impression is too shallow, which suggests too cold when moulding or not enough pressure. Has anyone published a list of variants on this common token I wonder? Quite apart from massive colour variations, I have just looked at 8 in my collection. The foot of the '2' varies, also the position of the top of the arms with the first 'o' in 'corporation'. I am sure that there are other variants too.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #334 on: May 28, 2016, 11:59:30 PM »
I should have mentioned both side of that one are incuse but only partly so, rather like the letters are in outline. Yes if too cold the letters wouldn't have been filled I imagine.

Yes we have made an attempt at a list of variants previously but Peter's and my own ideas differed a little.

See First attempt at a typology of Glasgow 2 stage tokens

Also here
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #335 on: June 24, 2016, 07:53:18 AM »
Halifax Corporation Tramways Lavatory No.240 uniface Brass 31.2mm

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #336 on: July 08, 2016, 08:41:28 AM »
An unlisted Derby Corporation Omnibuses 1d in copper. 23.2mm

See Reply #325 for some brass examples.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #337 on: July 09, 2016, 12:22:55 AM »
I am not convinced that is not just heavy toning due to the piece having been in a certain type of ground....

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #338 on: July 09, 2016, 01:08:02 AM »
Definitely copper as I scraped the edge slightly to reveal the pink colour.

Posted it on Facebook Transportation Tokens Collectors Group too where it was confirmed by Alan Judd who also has one.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #339 on: July 09, 2016, 01:58:23 AM »
Very interesting, Malcolm, but also mysterious. Bus drivers would be confused by the different colour of the token (a variety of World of Tokens DCO.0015a, it would seem) yet your token seems to have circulated. So was this a production error or a well-considered decision? As there seem very few around and this is the only denomination known in bronze an error seems more likely.

It seems too well made and of too low a value to be a contemporary counterfeit and a modern counterfeiter would have used the correct metal and would likely have picked an older type with an attractive picture. So why was it accepted? Was it maybe already sold in some quantity before the error was discovered and declared valid to simplify things? As it is less than 100 years old, there may be a paper trail or a local museum that actually answers its email...

In any case, it would be good to have it in WoT. Could Alan Judd be persuaded to contribute his knowledge to WoT?

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #340 on: July 26, 2016, 06:33:27 AM »
A Paisley District Tramways Co. hexagonal aluminium d uploaded to WoT today.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #341 on: July 26, 2016, 09:34:22 AM »
A magnificent token, well preserved with impressive detail! A worthy addition to our catalogue of these tokens. Paisley is close enough to Glasgow to imagine the need for a tramway, even when the local textile industry, imitating Mughal and Persian motives, was flourishing.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #342 on: July 26, 2016, 09:58:44 AM »
Paisley was very near the Royal ordnance factory at Georgetown which operated filling shells in WW1, employing 10,000 people, so quite possibly the tramway would have been of great benefit.

It closed in 1919 but another was opened at Bishopton at the commencement of WW2. My uncle was transferred there in 1940 but died in the Flu epidemic of 1941.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #343 on: August 12, 2016, 01:32:12 PM »
Accrington Corporation Steam Tramways Co. 3d zinc. 30.6mm
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #344 on: August 12, 2016, 01:49:45 PM »
With a little help from World of Tokens, this one can be dated 1885 - 1907. Voice says it also exists in brass.

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