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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #300 on: March 08, 2015, 11:30:45 PM »
The Smiths had anticipated a further volume regarding the railway tokens, unfortunately the elder Smith died and the idea was shelved. Possibly this was held over for that book if indeed they knew of it.

I have found some information on the company [if indeed it is this] but no tokens. = Gloucester Corporation Light Railways: 7 May 1904 to 11 Jan 1933.

Under the Gloucester Corporation Light Railways Order, 1903, electric light railways have been constructed in place of the old horse tramways, and, with extensions within the city, making a total of 7 miles of route and 12 miles of single track. The Corporation have also leased the light railways constructed under the County of Gloucester (Gloucester and Brockworth) Light Railways Order, 1903 (2 miles of route and about 2½ miles of single track), which are run in connection with the city light railways.
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This page is under construction. http://www.trackbed.com/companies/g/company_gclr.htm so a return visit is called for.

Image 1 / 2   Tram Ticket,Gloucester Corporation Light Railways, 1 1/2d, Advert: Well-Bred Bread, D Smith, Serial No 0194
Image 2 / 2   Tram Ticket,Gloucester Corporation Light Railways, 1 1/2d, Advert: Well-Bred Bread, D Smith, Serial No 0194
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #301 on: March 08, 2015, 11:34:29 PM »
APPENDIX VII.

Extracts from a typical Order of the " tramway type " made under the Light Railways Act 1896.

GLOUCESTER CORPORATION LIGHT RAILWAYS ORDER 1903.

Order authorising the construction of Light Railways in the City of Gloucester. WHEREAS an application was in November 1899 (hereinafter referred to as " the application of 1899 ") duly made to the Light Railway Commissioners by the City of Gloucester Tramways Company Limited in pursuance of the Light Railways Act 1896 for an Order to authorise the construction of light railways including Railways (No. i) (No. IA) (No. 2) (No. 3) and (No. 4) hereinafter described AND WHEREAS by the Gloucester Tramways Order 1878 and the City of Gloucester Tramways Order 1895 the said Company were authorised to construct and maintain certain tramways AND WHEREAS the light railways by this Order authorised will be partly constructed upon the roads now occupied by the said tramways and will render necessary the removal of the same AND WHEREAS the Mayor Aldermen and Citizens of the City of Gloucester in the County of the City of Gloucester (hereinafter called " the Corporation ") have in pursuance of Section 44 of the Tramways Act 1870 and with the consent of the Board of Trade agreed to purchase the said tramways and it has also been agreed between the said Company and the Corporation that this Order shall be granted to the Corporation AND WHEREAS an application was in May 1902 (hereinafter referred to as " the application of 1902 ") duly made to the Light Railway Commissioners by the Corporation in pursuance of the Light Railways Act 1896 for an Order to authorise the Corporation to construct light railways including the light railways hereinafter described as Railways (No. i) (No. JA) (No. 2) (No. 3) (No. 4) (No. 5) and (No. 6) AND WHEREAS the Corporation for the purpose of affording a more convenient termination of the line have applied for powers to construct the extensions hereinafter described as Railways (No. 2A) and (No. 2B) and have given public notice of the same by advertisement and by deposit of plans AND WHEREAS the Order authorises the Corporation to contract for the working running over and user of certain light railways outside the area of the City and in accordance with section 3 of the said Act if has been proved to the satisfaction of the Board of Trade that such working running over or user of the said light railways by the Corporation is expedient in the interests of the said City and the Board are also of opinion that the expenditure of the Corporation is so limited by this Order as not to exceed such amount as will bear due proportion to the benefit which may be expected to accrue to the said City from the working running over or user of the said light railways NOW we the Light Railway Commissioners being satisfied after local inquiry of the expediency of granting the said application including the said extensions do in pursuance of the Light Railways Act 1896 and by virtue and in exercise of the powers thereby vested in and of every other power Preamble. enabling us in this behalf ORDER as follows: Preliminary.

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i. This Order may be cited as " The Gloucester Corporation Light Railways Order 1903 " and shall come into force on the date on which it is confirmed by the Board of Trade.


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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #302 on: March 09, 2015, 12:06:06 AM »
Phew. I have been looking into the rump commonwealth (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa). Problem being that in modern times, "light railway" is a term that covers a very specific mode of transportation that hadn't been invented yet when there were 1½ penny fares. I even found a Gold Coast Light Railway in Australia, but it didn't fit the denomination of the token. Now that the 1903 docs Mal found use the term light railway, I am convinced that the answer is Gloucester, UK.

The term may well be a reflection of the situation. Around 1900, there was a movement to electrify horse tram lines and take over private lines by city corporations. However, there was no provision for electric trams in the law, so each city had to be mandated by a separate act of parliament. This could easily have led to the use of different terminology in different places. In the end, light railway lost and tramway won.

Can we use your picture in "World of Tokens", the bus and tram tokens wiki?

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #303 on: March 09, 2015, 01:26:30 AM »
 The act confirmed by the Board of Trade: London Gazette Aug 14 1903 page 5152

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #304 on: March 09, 2015, 10:59:37 AM »
Excellent research. I can see that a visit to Gloucester is called for !
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #305 on: March 09, 2015, 11:43:15 AM »
That could be a big help, see this page

These records are only available by a personal visit to the Gloucestershire Archives.

I have downloaded the images, see how we go.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #306 on: March 11, 2015, 08:10:38 PM »
Phew. I have been looking into the rump commonwealth (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa). Problem being that in modern times, "light railway" is a term that covers a very specific mode of transportation that hadn't been invented yet when there were 1½ penny fares.

I grew up in the village of Kinver, Staffordshire, to which there was, between 1901 and 1930, a rail-borne transport connection from the nearby Black Country. In common parlance this railway was universally known as the tram, but its official name was the Kinver Light Railway. Although it shared the tram tracks at its easterly end it was a private company and separate from the corporation trams in Amblecote. As far as I know the KLR did not issue tokens, but it could easily have done and they could easily have been for threehalfpence.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #307 on: March 11, 2015, 08:50:15 PM »
Today, a light railway is more likely to share train tracks than tram tracks. It may or may not need high platforms, though. An example of train tracks and low platforms is here. The Paris area RER is an example of train tracks and high platforms.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #308 on: March 11, 2015, 09:31:13 PM »
One of Melbourne's [Australia] railway lines was taken from the rail network and converted to tram operation in the late 1980's. see more here
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #309 on: March 11, 2015, 10:21:27 PM »
One of Melbourne's [Australia] railway lines was taken from the rail network and converted to tram operation in the late 1980's. see more here

Likewise Angeredsbanan in Gothenburg (Swedish Wikipedia; includes a link to the English page on Göteborgs Spårvägar which mentions it in passing), which was converted to tram use 1969-1972 after the railway was closed. A peculiarity is that the trams have to swap sides at the join between the conventional tram network and the converted railway. Trams drive on the right in Sweden, like other road traffic, while trains drive on the left. Angeredsbanan has central platforms, meaning that trams designed for right-hand traffic can use left-hand traffic rail lines.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #310 on: March 11, 2015, 10:37:12 PM »
I think you could pick up the tram and rotate it 90 degrees to make it operate correctly?   >:D
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #311 on: March 12, 2015, 06:49:26 PM »
I think you could pick up the tram and rotate it 90 degrees to make it operate correctly?   >:D

90 degrees? :o

I've never really understood why Gbg's trams aren't double-ended like many trains are, so that the driver just has to walk to the other end of the vehicle to drive it the other way. Instead there are turning loops at termini and a few other places; otherwise, the trams can reverse but it involves quite a lot of hassle, not to mention checking that there's nothing in the rather large blind spot that something the length of a tram has.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #312 on: March 12, 2015, 07:24:38 PM »
You don't actually have to pick 'em up. More info here.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #313 on: March 12, 2015, 08:38:31 PM »
Yes of course I should have said 180 degrees. I have seen the train turntables.



But our trams have doors on both sides.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #314 on: March 13, 2015, 11:01:44 PM »
The problem with having doors on both sides is that it reduces the seating capacity significantly.

Some of the trams still in use in Gbg date from before the switch to right-hand traffic in 1967 and were modified after construction to cope. Instead of retaining the 'old' left-side doors while adding right-side doors, the old doors were replaced with normal wall panels and windows.