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Offline capnbirdseye

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Early Spanish coin?
« on: March 30, 2012, 07:30:06 PM »
Looks similar to early Spanish coins?  looks like 164 under a Griffin or whatever?

weight 3.90g   approx  AE20mm
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Re: Early Spanish coin?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 09:23:48 PM »
Copper coins were often recalled and overstamped or counterstamped during the 17th century, and it's not unusual to find examples where the host coin is worn almost flat, with multiple new dates and denominations added later.  Looks like yours has "1629" or something similar near the top and "164[1?]" in the middle.  The Roman numeral stamp in the middle on the other side (VIII?) presumably represents a revaluation of 8 maravedí.


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Re: Early Spanish coin?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 11:32:12 PM »
Probably Philip dated and then resealed so as to say.

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Re: Early Spanish coin?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 11:38:43 PM »
I agree with the determination. I think the host coin is a 4 maravedis 1625 (1629 does not exist). Logically, the year of the counterstamp is later, which must be 1654-1659 (4 and 8 maravedis) or 1641-1642 (8 maravedis). It would be tempting to choose 1641 (there is no place for a 2,) but in that case, the counterpunch should be crowned and in a circle. I spot traces of a circle near the 16, but no sign of the crown. I could argue that the punch was held askew, but find it a bit tenuous, because the tops of the numbers are clear. I could also argue that the date is between crowns, but I have seen pictures of this punch only with the crown over the date. Nevertheless, my guess is VIII maravedis 1641 mint unknown, probably Madrid over IIII maravedis 1625, mint unknown, Cayón 5349.

That is indeed Philip IV.

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Re: Early Spanish coin?
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 06:07:04 PM »
Interesting stuff ,thank you one & all, it's a coin that came in a job lot, but not my usual interest
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