Difference in Victoria Queen obverse

[Md. Shariful Islam]

I notice this difference in Victoria Queen obverse in One rupees. On the 1862 obverse the distance between V to A in 'Victoria' and between Q to N in 'Queen' is shorter than those of 1864 one. Comment please.

Islam

[vrrvenkat]

these are all the difference while making different dies in different mints , these are all not having any importance

[FosseWay]

Depends how you define "importance".

For a type collector who's interested in small variations, such a difference is undoubtedly important. It is similar to the differences in the relationship between edge beads and letters on UK 10 pence coins and the multitude of variations in UK pennies in Victoria's reign.

More generally, such differences can yield important variations in value if more than one variant is used in any given year, and in India's case by any given mint. So if Die 1 is found on (purely random example) Madras rupees of 1877 and Die 2 on Calcutta rupees of the same year with no overlap, then obviously the difference can simply be added into the general distinction made between the two mints' issues. If, however, a small number of Die 2 coins were issued at Madras, with the other side of the coin carrying the usual features you'd expect from a Madras issue of the given year, you effectively get a mule which could, given enough demand, command a significant premium.

So I'd say it's definitely worth pointing out such variations, even if one's own collecting interests aren't as specific or detailed as that.

[Figleaf]

The 1862 coinage was struck for a long period with the same date (frozen date). As a consequence, many varieties exist. KM lists around 40 varieties by mint for the rupee alone. I would be quite a job to get all these varieties together.

Peter

[Abhay]

The 1862 coinage was struck for a long period with the same date (frozen date). As a consequence, many varieties exist. KM lists around 40 varieties by mint for the rupee alone. I would be quite a job to get all these varieties together.

Peter

This website link lists 51 varieties for the 1862 1 Rupee Queen Victoria Coin.

http://britishcoins.indian-coins.com/1862_rupee.html

Actually, with the date frozen at 1862, for each progressing year, a dot used to be added to the coin. So, 1 dot would represent 1862 + 1 = 1863. Similarly, 2 dots mean 1862 + 2 = 1864, and so on till 12 dots meaning 1874.

So, even a dot can make a lot of importance.

these are all the difference while making different dies in different mints , these are all not having any importance

Abhay

[Harry]

Islam, The 1862 coin (on top) I assume has no dots on the reverse which would make it a 1862 A/II 0/0.  The obv design is of bust type A. As you know there is no BI Rupee dated 1864, that coin (the bottom one) is a 1862 B/II 0/2, where the obverse design is of Bust B.  Comparing two different designs (A and B) will result in other minor differences. 

See http://www.jfcampbell.us/india/victoria/rupee-obv.htm for different obverse designs of British India Victoria coins.

[Coinsforever]

So, even a dot can make a lot of importance.

(dot ) is not only important but  also make sense in this series .

Cheers

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Islam, The 1862 coin (on top) I assume has no dots on the reverse which would make it a 1862 A/II 0/0.  The obv design is of bust type A. As you know there is no BI Rupee dated 1864, that coin (the bottom one) is a 1862 B/II 0/2, where the obverse design is of Bust B.  Comparing two different designs (A and B) will result in other minor differences. 

See http://www.jfcampbell.us/india/victoria/rupee-obv.htm for different obverse designs of British India Victoria coins.

Thanks to all for inputs in this thread.
@ Harry: thanks for the link. But actually I wanted to bring a fact into notice that obverse of these coins are differentiated by front dress panel while I also notice length in the letters of 'QUEEN'.

Islam

[Harry]

But actually I wanted to bring a fact into notice that obverse of these coins are differentiated by front dress panel while I also notice length in the letters of 'QUEEN'.

Great! Nice observation, I've never noticed it. Thanks for pointing it out.

[vrrvenkat]

Mr.FosseWay   , your explanation is very nice , happy . But  In which way these micro variations will help the BI coin collectors , was these details had been reported by BRITISH INDIA mints or just like us new researchers is telling these new variations ? Was these micro variations was reported for all issues into Krasue or Pridmore and other books ? Pls explain me some significance in this topic , thanks

[FosseWay]

Some of them are in Krause, as discussed above, although it's well known that KM doesn't cover BI coinage in as much detail as many BI collectors would like. I'm sure more will be in Pridmore, but as I neither have a copy nor have access to one, I can't check, unfortunately.

But I'm not sure what you mean when you link 'significance' to appearance in either catalogue. Significance from the collector's point of view depends on the individual collector's preference, and from the market's point of view on the number of collectors interested in acquiring a particular variant vs. the number of relevant pieces available.

As an example, I mentioned UK 10 pence coins earlier. No catalogue I've ever seen explains the variants -- that information I have gleaned from WoC, Coin News and personal observation. But I have still made sure I've acquired all the variants even though according to Krause (and even Spink/Seaby) they're all basically identical, because I want as complete a collection of my own country's coins as I can manage. I probably wouldn't bother going into such detail with coins of countries that are of less interest to me.

[Md. Shariful Islam]

Mr.FosseWay   , your explanation is very nice , happy . But  In which way these micro variations will help the BI coin collectors , was these details had been reported by BRITISH INDIA mints or just like us new researchers is telling these new variations ? Was these micro variations was reported for all issues into Krasue or Pridmore and other books ? Pls explain me some significance in this topic , thanks

I know nothing about its significance in numismatic records. These differences are important to me and I like to share them to my friends. Some day these will become important and authors will quote them as 'from Islam's collection' .

Islam