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Offline redwine

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Ancient Javanese octahedron
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:23:25 PM »
Members of the French language Numismatique forum have not succeeded in identifying this coin. Can you help them in the spirit of numismatic brotherhood? 
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"Iron, about 2 cm maximum, with 8 faces bearing spirals in relief. One side bears an inscription in Old Javanese probably (certainly a number).

This could be a form of currency used during the reigns of Sirijawah and Majapahit from the Indonesian archipelago before the arrival of Europeans in the 15th century."

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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 02:44:37 PM »
This could be a form of currency used during the reigns of Sirijawah and Majapahit from the Indonesian archipelago before the arrival of Europeans in the 15th century.

Yes, it could, but it wasn't. There never were any coins made of iron. The pieces shown in the catalogue of Mitchiner are without any doubt phantasy fakes, made of worn iron balls in an old mill. This piece looks more like a most modern tourist fake.

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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 03:08:03 PM »
These iron bullet shaped objects with inscription, applied by acid etching (similar to the traditional batik technique), in Malay-Arabic, Javanese and Chinese, surfaced in the market during the 1970-80’s.
They were initially attributed to a so far not indentified Sultanate of Borneo. More recent research and investigations, however, has shown that they actually concerns magical and good-luck charms, which were produced at Surabaya (Java) from about 1950 onwards.

Ref.: A Strange Tale of Talismans, by P.R. Bauquis, published in the Oriental Numismatic Society’s Newsletter. Part  I, ONS Newsletter 108 (October 1987); Part II, ONS Newsletter 109 (December 1987).

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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 02:07:53 PM »
Thanks a lot !

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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 02:50:23 PM »
Splendid work guys  8)
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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 10:22:22 PM »
I can attest to that. In Malaysia in 1979 and in Indonesia in the mid late 1980's I was offered similar items to ward off spirits of the evil nature. They were never offered as money but as Oesho says as a Talisman or something similar. In both instances they were offered to me after people saw my Buddhist charm hanging on the door to my room (long story). Surabaya as source is interesting.

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Re: Ancient Javanese octahedron
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 10:29:35 AM »
Thank you Akona20 !