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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2012, 04:37:32 PM »
Much more convincing than earlier. But there is an enrelief metal just below first 'I' of 'WILLIAM'. That may be caused by die error. And the mint mark is oval shape instead of round shape. I dont have any idea about it.

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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2012, 04:54:37 PM »

I was getting the coin back to the guy who sold it to me when I decided to look again at the coin because of the perfect ping test and weight and diameter( 30.5 mm in dia and 11.6gms in wt) of the coin..

Yes based on the weight, size and ping test its very hard to say that its a fake.  What appears to be differences in the design may just be they way the picture was taken. By the way, I'm not sure how my coin became the established original, I guess we have to pick one! However, I did get this 20 years ago when you could get such coins without burning a hole in your pocket!  I've sent it to NGC for authentication and grading and will post back the results.  It will be devastating if it turns out to be a fake!

I still am trying to figure out the "thin" vs "thick" lettering on the 1835 Rupee. I guess my "thick" head  can't see any difference in the pictures on the Baldwin site.  Will look again!!!

And the mint mark is oval shape instead of round shape. I dont have any idea about it.

Where is the mint mark?
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2012, 04:56:54 PM »
Islamda mint mark?? Don't worry Harry I'm sure ur piece is an original gem of a coin!! :) The difference in thick and thin lettering for me is the difference in 'A' of William and 'G' of king
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2012, 05:02:42 PM »

I believe Peter Should change the name of the post to Anatomy of William IIII rupee :)

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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2012, 05:09:07 PM »
Sorry for the slip. Not a mint mark. I mean the dot after 'KING'.

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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2012, 09:32:26 PM »

Andy is it know if these dies were the original dies or fake dies? I'm assuming that they were fake dies.
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2012, 12:15:35 AM »
Looking at the picture I cannot say that the in all certainty that the coin is definitely counterfeit.
I see things wrong - odd numerals, lumps in plain fields (Islam is right on the money with these), the strange shape of the comma, the seemingly infilled A in William (2nd set of pictures), the odd shape of the denticles at the base of the portrait.  Any one of these things could conceivably be on a genuine coin - the issue is what to do if you find them all on a single example.  When taken together they point to a coin which has been produced with fake dies - the key is - point, again, from a picture I cannot be 100% certain, I can only say that I believe the coin to be questionable.  A picture of the edge would be quite interesting.

If anyone would like some fake coins to use as a study there is no shortage of (struck) fake British £1 coins here, I can easily post some.

I also have to admit that I would have been fooled by the Chinese Pandas I linked to above.....
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2012, 05:22:49 PM »
Ok getting back to our favorite 1840 Rupee … I happen to stumble upon a coin on the internet that is strikingly (pun intended!) similar to Dr. Abhishek’s coin. See the image below. Notice the period, or dot, after the G they in the obv are the same, also on the rev both coins have an  extra dot around the first two leaves.  The dot on my coin on the obv is smaller than the dot on these two coins.



P.S. <joke> The lower coin was how Dr. Abhishek's coin looked when it was a baby! </joke>
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2012, 10:36:59 AM »
Certainly reassuring Harry!! That such dies did exist in normal coins. Only difference between them is the R.S incuse on the coin below. Somehow looking at my coin and looking at it from all angles I'm not convinced that it is fake.. and this coin below is certainly reassuring. Thanks for posting.
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2012, 08:23:18 PM »
Here is another one from my collection. this time it is 'F' raised on the truncation
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2012, 04:32:09 PM »
A beautiful coin Dr. Abhishek. Nicely preserved.

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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2012, 04:43:13 PM »

Yes nice coin Dr. Abhishek and a better picture too!

I'm still not clear about the "thick" vs "thin" lettering on the 1835 Rupee. Is it the difference in the font size or the font weight (bold vs normal)?  They all seem the same to me prob because I don't know what to look for.
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Re: William IIII Rupee
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2012, 04:49:02 PM »
Yes nice coin Dr. Abhishek and a better picture too!

I'm still not clear about the "thick" vs "thin" lettering on the 1835 Rupee. Is it the difference in the font size or the font weight (bold vs normal)?  They all seem the same to me prob because I don't know what to look for.

Whai I know is the thickness (width) of the letters.