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Offline Stan

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Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« on: February 25, 2012, 10:41:32 PM »
Hi, I know these are Palembang coins, but I can't date them. Can anyone help?


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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »
Many Palembang pitis are not dated, NvdC gives as first date 1061 AH (1650/1 AD) and as last date 1219 AH (1804/5 AD).

The coin on the left is NvdC 196 dated 1219 (9 running into 1). I do not recognize the second and third coin. The fourth coin is NvdC 190, dated 1130 AH (1717/8 AD)

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 11:19:40 PM »
Thanks for replying so quickly Peter!
So, you're saying the octagonal coin is dated 1219, correct?

What about the two on the far right? I've found a bunch of pitis without holes (like my far right coin), but the dating doesn't seem to match. Or maybe I'm not looking at the correct markings for the date...

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 11:28:52 PM »
Correct. Here is the date.

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 11:31:39 PM »
Thanks!
Any ideas on the two on the far right?

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 12:26:46 AM »
Here is the date that NvdC read as 1130. The illustration in the book doesn't show the zero either.

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 12:35:10 AM »
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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2012, 12:47:06 AM »
Thanks again Peter!
Andyg, the third coin is dated 22. 22 what? 1222AH?

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2012, 12:50:29 AM »
Andyg, the third coin is dated 22. 22 what? 1222AH?

Oesho provided the answer a few posts below the one I linked to.

These type of pitis are undated and with corrupted Malay-Arabic inscription.
See for another specimen of the same type: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=46683
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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 01:10:15 AM »
Got it!
Do you have any ideas about the second coin? Maybe the ruler or something?

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 02:14:11 PM »
I believe it's #7 on my post here http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,7697.msg82879.html#msg82879

Peter has referenced it to NvdC#212

Unfortunately, I don't know much more of the piece. Whole Palembang sultanate is veiled in mysteries.

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Re: Palembang Pitis Coins Date?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 03:58:54 PM »
NvdC 212?, rather. The question mark is important. Stan, I'd be happy to send you (or any other member) a scan of the relevant pages in NvdC, if you wish. Let me know by PM.

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