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Offline ZYV

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A token or private coin
« on: June 13, 2020, 01:49:23 PM »
Help to attribute, please.
2.67 g,
19.3x20.4 mm.
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2020, 12:00:58 PM »
My guess is: LK = 50 kreutzer.
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2020, 12:52:50 PM »
Probably a beer token. W.H. might mean something like (name of city starting with W) Hofbrau. L.K. could be initials of proprietor. Beer tokens denominated in Kreuzer usually have a value of 3. The token is not listed in Menzel. It probably will be from South Germany or Austria. It looks quite old, probably before 1850. Nice token!

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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2020, 06:15:06 PM »
Thank you for the answer, dear Henk!
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Please tell - why do you think that it's a beer token?
Will you show us similar objects with similar attribution?
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2020, 06:16:30 PM »
The piece was bought in Lwow.
It can originate from Poland.
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2020, 06:35:53 PM »
The deer (attribute of St. Hubertus, patron saint of hunters, traditionally beer drinkers) is holding a traditional German Stein, so there can be no doubt that it is a beer token.

Peter
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2020, 07:36:00 PM »
Peter is right, the beer stein identifies it as a beer token. The deer (hirsch) could be the sign of the establishment: W...  Hirsch. It can indeed  be a token from Poland, or Germany or another country. My remark about the South of Germany or Austria is because of you mentioning the K meaning Kreuzer. I think this is unlikely.

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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2020, 09:45:02 PM »
Thank you for your interest and your answers, friends!
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Will you demonstrate similar beer token with deer?
If you are sure that deer with Stein is more than sufficient for attribution as a beer token - it really must be a common picture on beer tokens....
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2020, 09:49:47 PM »
Better images.
A fine piece, IMHO.  :)
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2020, 08:07:24 PM »
What at first sight looked like single letters in the right corners now seem combined letters (cyphers).

Peter
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Re: A token or private coin
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2020, 08:16:36 PM »
combined letters (cyphers).
Looks like.
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